Savings if cut or traded

Jack Vegas · 12-23-2014, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

And getting twice the stats in less games than the guy you want to replace him. I'll stick with the sacks, ints and tackles and you stick with.....well, what YOU see.

The only statistic that's relevant to Hawthorne anymore is how fast the Saints to cut his sorry unproductive butt when the offseason starts. He'll be one of the first to go, I promise you.

voodooido · 12-23-2014, 11:47 PM

And one other stat you forgot to look up, Humber will be a FA and only 2 years younger than Hawthorne.

voodooido · 12-23-2014, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

The only statistic that's relevant to Hawthorne anymore is how fast the Saints to cut his sorry unproductive butt when the offseason starts. He'll be one of the first to go, I promise you.

If they can find someone for under 2.8 million to replace him that's better I'll be right there with you. I just don't see it happening.

Jack Vegas · 12-23-2014, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Ill give you that but Humber started 5 games this season. No stats to show for those 5 games.

According to NFL.com game logs, Humber started 5 games and had 19 tackles. As opposed to Hawthorne's 47 tackes in 11 starts.

That gives Hawthorne an average of 4.2 tackles per game and Humber an average of 3.8. Wow, so much difference - except one of these guys made 3.5 million this year and the other made 630K.

Since you like statistics so much, let's do a cost-benefit analysis.

Humber gets $21,724 for each tackle he makes

Hawthorne gets $74,469 for each tackle he makes....and is only marginally more productive.

You can figure it out for yourself from here, I am sure.

blackangold · 12-24-2014, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Humbar had 29 tackles, no sacks and no ints, played in 15 games
Hawthorne had 47 tackles, 3 sacks and 1 int, played in 11 games

The fact that Hawthorne only had 47 tackles and played 90% of the snaps says it all.

Stats tell a lot of lies. Ill never agree that we should keep Hawthorne or Bunk and PFF a stat site would agree with me.

Jack Vegas · 12-24-2014, 12:04 AM

PS you seem to have omitted the fact that Humber did have one sack this year. Not zero, as you said earlier.

blackangold · 12-24-2014, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

PS you seem to have omitted the fact that Humber did have one sack this year. Not zero, as you said earlier.

Don't waste you're time Jack.

AlaskaSaints · 12-24-2014, 12:55 AM

5th highest paid player on this team didn't play. Amazing how the money works out. Yet, when Khiry runs the ball he does it under a shower of peanuts.

Wow.

Sarik · 12-24-2014, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Obviously anyone who advocates cutting Lofton is nuts. You're not going to find a LB of his caliber in the draft.

But Hawthorne, Bunkley, Evans and Colston are all easily replaceable by mid-level free agent signings and a good draft pick or two. Loomis may not be a football expert, but he's no fool. He can see the guys who are not pulling their weight just like we can.

Lelito has played like a stud though, just about every time he steps on the field - except for the first half of the Cardinals game last year when he got thrown in the fire. Since then, he's been money.

Lol kinda like advocating trading Graham for O line help?? Im glad you see that now Jack ha. We're in a tite space but hoping theres a quick turnover this offseason, bc next years schedule is lookin pretty darn favorable. Hopefully emotion & loyalty doesnt outweigh what has to be done to save this team.

Sarik · 12-24-2014, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

The only statistic that's relevant to Hawthorne anymore is how fast the Saints to cut his sorry unproductive butt when the offseason starts. He'll be one of the first to go, I promise you.

I sure do hope so! Draft multiple LB's to compete for that spot. Michigans Jake Ryan is someone who could play any LB spot & had somewhere in the 3-4 maybe 5th round range depending on how it plays out. Need help in a bad way.

12-23-2014, 11:44 PM	#31
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by voodooido And getting twice the stats in less games than the guy you want to replace him. I'll stick with the sacks, ints and tackles and you stick with.....well, what YOU see. The only statistic that's relevant to Hawthorne anymore is how fast the Saints to cut his sorry unproductive butt when the offseason starts. He'll be one of the first to go, I promise you. Sarik and brees84 like this.
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12-23-2014, 11:47 PM	#32
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Savings if cut or traded And one other stat you forgot to look up, Humber will be a FA and only 2 years younger than Hawthorne.
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12-23-2014, 11:51 PM	#33
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Jack Vegas The only statistic that's relevant to Hawthorne anymore is how fast the Saints to cut his sorry unproductive butt when the offseason starts. He'll be one of the first to go, I promise you. If they can find someone for under 2.8 million to replace him that's better I'll be right there with you. I just don't see it happening.
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12-23-2014, 11:54 PM	#34
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by voodooido Ill give you that but Humber started 5 games this season. No stats to show for those 5 games. According to NFL.com game logs, Humber started 5 games and had 19 tackles. As opposed to Hawthorne's 47 tackes in 11 starts. That gives Hawthorne an average of 4.2 tackles per game and Humber an average of 3.8. Wow, so much difference - except one of these guys made 3.5 million this year and the other made 630K. Since you like statistics so much, let's do a cost-benefit analysis. Humber gets $21,724 for each tackle he makes Hawthorne gets $74,469 for each tackle he makes....and is only marginally more productive. You can figure it out for yourself from here, I am sure.
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12-24-2014, 12:04 AM	#35
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by voodooido Humbar had 29 tackles, no sacks and no ints, played in 15 games Hawthorne had 47 tackles, 3 sacks and 1 int, played in 11 games The fact that Hawthorne only had 47 tackles and played 90% of the snaps says it all. Stats tell a lot of lies. Ill never agree that we should keep Hawthorne or Bunk and PFF a stat site would agree with me.

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12-24-2014, 12:04 AM	#36
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Savings if cut or traded PS you seem to have omitted the fact that Humber did have one sack this year. Not zero, as you said earlier.
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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Jack Vegas PS you seem to have omitted the fact that Humber did have one sack this year. Not zero, as you said earlier. Don't waste you're time Jack.

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AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Savings if cut or traded 5th highest paid player on this team didn't play. Amazing how the money works out. Yet, when Khiry runs the ball he does it under a shower of peanuts. Wow.

12-24-2014, 07:19 AM	#39
Sarik 100th Post Join Date: May 2012 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 292	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Obviously anyone who advocates cutting Lofton is nuts. You're not going to find a LB of his caliber in the draft. But Hawthorne, Bunkley, Evans and Colston are all easily replaceable by mid-level free agent signings and a good draft pick or two. Loomis may not be a football expert, but he's no fool. He can see the guys who are not pulling their weight just like we can. Lelito has played like a stud though, just about every time he steps on the field - except for the first half of the Cardinals game last year when he got thrown in the fire. Since then, he's been money. Lol kinda like advocating trading Graham for O line help?? Im glad you see that now Jack ha. We're in a tite space but hoping theres a quick turnover this offseason, bc next years schedule is lookin pretty darn favorable. Hopefully emotion & loyalty doesnt outweigh what has to be done to save this team.

12-24-2014, 07:25 AM	#40
Sarik 100th Post Join Date: May 2012 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 292	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Jack Vegas The only statistic that's relevant to Hawthorne anymore is how fast the Saints to cut his sorry unproductive butt when the offseason starts. He'll be one of the first to go, I promise you. I sure do hope so! Draft multiple LB's to compete for that spot. Michigans Jake Ryan is someone who could play any LB spot & had somewhere in the 3-4 maybe 5th round range depending on how it plays out. Need help in a bad way.

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