Savings if cut or traded

Cruize · 12-24-2014, 10:22 AM

Cut whomever this year. Fix the cap for the future. Play some draft picks and some UDFA's. They can win six games and will be more fun to watch.

spkb25 · 12-24-2014, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

The only statistic that's relevant to Hawthorne anymore is how fast the Saints to cut his sorry unproductive butt when the offseason starts. He'll be one of the first to go, I promise you.

Don't know how he stays

spkb25 · 12-24-2014, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

According to NFL.com game logs, Humber started 5 games and had 19 tackles. As opposed to Hawthorne's 47 tackes in 11 starts.

That gives Hawthorne an average of 4.2 tackles per game and Humber an average of 3.8. Wow, so much difference - except one of these guys made 3.5 million this year and the other made 630K.

Since you like statistics so much, let's do a cost-benefit analysis.

Humber gets $21,724 for each tackle he makes

Hawthorne gets $74,469 for each tackle he makes....and is only marginally more productive.

You can figure it out for yourself from here, I am sure.

That's beyond sad, n both accounts, but for Hawthrone. Jesus christmas

Danno · 12-24-2014, 10:30 AM

Not really impressed with Humber. He gets pushed out of the way too easily and doesn't cover very well.

He's a decent back-up and hits hard for his size, but Hawthorne >> Humber IMO, and its not even close.

spkb25 · 12-24-2014, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Not really impressed with Humber. He gets pushed out of the way too easily and doesn't cover very well.

He's a decent back-up and hits hard for his size, but Hawthorne >> Humber IMO, and its not even close.

He can't cover worth a shoot, dude is slow. We have no LB's. Even Lofton, who is decent, is slow and can't cover. Restructure lofton, replace Hawthorne. Draft Lofton's replacement.

We really need to let go some of these high contracts or restructure them. There are guys earning money they have 0 business earning

Danno · 12-24-2014, 10:43 AM

Worst PFF Grades thru week 15 (couldn't find anything more current)

The Worst

Offense

QB- Blake Bortles, -37.1 grade (JAX)
WR1- Riley Cooper, -12.0 grade (PHI)
WR2- Damaris Johnson, -11.4 grade (HOU)
TE- Jeff Cumberland, -23.9 grade (NYJ)
HB- Knile Davis, -14.3 grade (KC)
FB- Erik Lorig, -10.4 grade (NO)
LT- Jake Matthews, -32.9 grade (ATL)
LG- Mike McGlynn, -33.0 grade (KC)
C- Lyle Sendlein, -28.4 grade (ARI)
RG- Johnnie Troutman, -27.0 grade (SD)
RT- Seantrel Henderson, -24.4 (BUF)

Defense

DE (4-3)- Chris Clemons, -19.9 grade (JAX)
DE (4-3)- Robert Geathers, -24.9 grade (CIN)
DE (3-4)- Cam Thomas, -21.6 grade (PIT)
DE (3-4)- Kendall Reyes, -19.2 grade (SD)
DT- Nick Hayden, -24.9 (DAL)
DT-Domata Peko, -21.8 grade (CIN)
OLB (4-3)- Ramon Humber, -13.0 grade (NO)
OLB (4-3)- Emmanuel Lamur, -12.1 grade (CIN)
OLB (3-4)- Kamerion Wimbley, -12.4 grade (TEN)
OLB (3-4)- Mike Neal, -12.6 grade (GB)
ILB- Miles Burris, -43.7 grade (OAK)
ILB- Donald Butler, -21.9 grade (SD)
CB- David Amerson, -19.2 grade (WAS)
CB- Corey White, -17.1 grade (NO)
S1- Dashon Goldson, -16.3 grade (TB)
S2- Kenny Vaccaro, -16.6 grade (NO)

dizzle88 · 12-24-2014, 10:43 AM

You know you suck when David Hawthorne is better than you

Scott Shanle > David Hawthorne
Jo-lonn Dunbar and Vilma > Lofton.

K Major · 12-24-2014, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Worst PFF Grades thru week 15 (couldn't find anything more current)

Wow, three guys out of that compiled list on D wear black and gold

.
Very disappointing however changes will be made.

halloween 65 · 12-24-2014, 11:10 AM

I will give White and Humber a pass. Lorig should have never got a contract and Kenny has lost his mind. White needs to go back to the slot and as much as I have never been a Humber fan, he's not so bad in the 3-4 but is bad in a 4-3, unless Humber gets absolutely beat out I think he could play well enough in rotation.

Rugby Saint II · 12-24-2014, 11:13 AM

I like the cost/benefit ratio. If they aren't earning their paycheck.........let them go!

12-24-2014, 10:22 AM	#41
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,294	Re: Savings if cut or traded Cut whomever this year. Fix the cap for the future. Play some draft picks and some UDFA's. They can win six games and will be more fun to watch.
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12-24-2014, 10:27 AM	#42
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Jack Vegas The only statistic that's relevant to Hawthorne anymore is how fast the Saints to cut his sorry unproductive butt when the offseason starts. He'll be one of the first to go, I promise you. Don't know how he stays

12-24-2014, 10:28 AM	#43
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Jack Vegas According to NFL.com game logs, Humber started 5 games and had 19 tackles. As opposed to Hawthorne's 47 tackes in 11 starts. That gives Hawthorne an average of 4.2 tackles per game and Humber an average of 3.8. Wow, so much difference - except one of these guys made 3.5 million this year and the other made 630K. Since you like statistics so much, let's do a cost-benefit analysis. Humber gets $21,724 for each tackle he makes Hawthorne gets $74,469 for each tackle he makes....and is only marginally more productive. You can figure it out for yourself from here, I am sure. That's beyond sad, n both accounts, but for Hawthrone. Jesus christmas

12-24-2014, 10:30 AM	#44
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Savings if cut or traded Not really impressed with Humber. He gets pushed out of the way too easily and doesn't cover very well. He's a decent back-up and hits hard for his size, but Hawthorne >> Humber IMO, and its not even close. Sarik likes this.

12-24-2014, 10:36 AM	#45
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Danno Not really impressed with Humber. He gets pushed out of the way too easily and doesn't cover very well. He's a decent back-up and hits hard for his size, but Hawthorne >> Humber IMO, and its not even close. He can't cover worth a shoot, dude is slow. We have no LB's. Even Lofton, who is decent, is slow and can't cover. Restructure lofton, replace Hawthorne. Draft Lofton's replacement. We really need to let go some of these high contracts or restructure them. There are guys earning money they have 0 business earning

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12-24-2014, 10:43 AM	#46
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Savings if cut or traded Worst PFF Grades thru week 15 (couldn't find anything more current) The Worst Offense QB- Blake Bortles, -37.1 grade (JAX) WR1- Riley Cooper, -12.0 grade (PHI) WR2- Damaris Johnson, -11.4 grade (HOU) TE- Jeff Cumberland, -23.9 grade (NYJ) HB- Knile Davis, -14.3 grade (KC) FB- Erik Lorig, -10.4 grade (NO) LT- Jake Matthews, -32.9 grade (ATL) LG- Mike McGlynn, -33.0 grade (KC) C- Lyle Sendlein, -28.4 grade (ARI) RG- Johnnie Troutman, -27.0 grade (SD) RT- Seantrel Henderson, -24.4 (BUF) Defense DE (4-3)- Chris Clemons, -19.9 grade (JAX) DE (4-3)- Robert Geathers, -24.9 grade (CIN) DE (3-4)- Cam Thomas, -21.6 grade (PIT) DE (3-4)- Kendall Reyes, -19.2 grade (SD) DT- Nick Hayden, -24.9 (DAL) DT-Domata Peko, -21.8 grade (CIN) OLB (4-3)- Ramon Humber, -13.0 grade (NO) OLB (4-3)- Emmanuel Lamur, -12.1 grade (CIN) OLB (3-4)- Kamerion Wimbley, -12.4 grade (TEN) OLB (3-4)- Mike Neal, -12.6 grade (GB) ILB- Miles Burris, -43.7 grade (OAK) ILB- Donald Butler, -21.9 grade (SD) CB- David Amerson, -19.2 grade (WAS) CB- Corey White, -17.1 grade (NO) S1- Dashon Goldson, -16.3 grade (TB) S2- Kenny Vaccaro, -16.6 grade (NO)

12-24-2014, 10:43 AM	#47
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Savings if cut or traded You know you suck when David Hawthorne is better than you Scott Shanle > David Hawthorne Jo-lonn Dunbar and Vilma > Lofton. Sarik likes this.

12-24-2014, 10:55 AM	#48
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Danno Worst PFF Grades thru week 15 (couldn't find anything more current) Wow, three guys out of that compiled list on D wear black and gold . Very disappointing however changes will be made.

12-24-2014, 11:10 AM	#49
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Savings if cut or traded I will give White and Humber a pass. Lorig should have never got a contract and Kenny has lost his mind. White needs to go back to the slot and as much as I have never been a Humber fan, he's not so bad in the 3-4 but is bad in a 4-3, unless Humber gets absolutely beat out I think he could play well enough in rotation.

12-24-2014, 11:13 AM	#50
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,718	Re: Savings if cut or traded I like the cost/benefit ratio. If they aren't earning their paycheck.........let them go!

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