Savings if cut or traded

SmashMouth · 12-23-2014, 06:58 PM

There is much restructure in the future of the Saints Salary Cap.

halloween 65 · 12-23-2014, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Evans had the benefit of another pro bowl guard right next to him. I believe due to the way Brees plays it is more important for us to have strong guards than tackles. If we got a strong guard to play next to Evans I think we can still get enough solid play out of him to protect Brees for the rest of Brees career. When Brees is done we switch our focus more to left tackle.

I would like a stud C and a strong G with Grubbs. If your going to protect Brees. Lelito is servicable but far from a stud. I think Evans may be done.

brees84 · 12-23-2014, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I think Evans may be done.

You would cut the guy who just made it to the pro bowl? lol

sarcasm

Jack Vegas · 12-23-2014, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Exactly.

Consider Curtis Lofton. He's way overpaid at 9 Million, but if we cut him could we find a better ILB for 4 million?

Obviously anyone who advocates cutting Lofton is nuts. You're not going to find a LB of his caliber in the draft.

But Hawthorne, Bunkley, Evans and Colston are all easily replaceable by mid-level free agent signings and a good draft pick or two. Loomis may not be a football expert, but he's no fool. He can see the guys who are not pulling their weight just like we can.

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Lelito is servicable but far from a stud.

Lelito has played like a stud though, just about every time he steps on the field - except for the first half of the Cardinals game last year when he got thrown in the fire. Since then, he's been money.

blackangold · 12-23-2014, 09:48 PM

It's odd for me to say this but I say we cut Jordan, he is a 1 hit wonder at this point and could save us 7 mil.

Grubbs and Evans need to stay but they need a significant pay cut to do so.

Hawthorne, Bunkley and Colston are other easy cuts in my opinion. The Colston cut will be tough for some but it's clear that his production only justifies being paid like a #2 WR, but his cap hit looks like he should be top 5 in the league.

blackangold · 12-23-2014, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by brees84

You would cut the guy who just made it to the pro bowl? lol

I saw Evans get beat too often for him to go to the pro-bowl. It feels like a charity type of selection to be honest.

spkb25 · 12-23-2014, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I've listed the 2015 cap and dead money figures for our 2015 team.

If you look at the table, its obvious that we cannot trade several players that keep popping up in trade scenarios. Aint gonna happen

For those not familiar with the term dead money, its the money that would still count against our cap if we cut or traded a player.

This is the first year Brees can redo his contract without hurting team, right? No doubt he restructures his contract and helps the cap this season. I think that Evans and Colston need to restructure, if not let them go or trade them. Colston will probably restructure, not sure about Evans but he's getting long in the tooth and if he doesn't I say we let him go.

WTF can we do about JG? Can we change the structure of that contract, no frigan way we really pay him 15M this season. That is so obscene. Cam Jordan, let him walk. Seriously, guy did nothing this year. For 7 mil I think we can do better, sorry, by Cam

Jack Vegas · 12-23-2014, 10:39 PM

Jordan is on the hook for 7 million. I say we offer him a long-term deal with low cap hit for the first two years. Something like 3.5-4 million. Then escalators for the rest of the deal that pay him like an elite DL if he's earned it.

If he doesn't take the deal, trade him for whatever picks/players we can get. Loved him in 2013 but he was a total no-show this year. Shape up or ship out.

spkb25 · 12-23-2014, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Jordan is on the hook for 7 million. I say we offer him a long-term deal with low cap hit for the first two years. Something like 3.5-4 million. Then escalators for the rest of the deal that pay him like an elite DL if he's earned it.

If he doesn't take the deal, trade him for whatever picks/players we can get. Loved him in 2013 but he was a total no-show this year. Shape up or ship out.

**** another backended contract for someone not earning it or worth it so we can find ourselves in that same ****hole with the likes of cam Jordan 3 years from now. Trade or release him. Just my opin

It doesn't cost us anything to trade or release him.

voodooido · 12-23-2014, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

IMO the big cuts are Hawthorne, Bunkley and Evans. That, combined with a Brees restructure, gets you in the black easily, and let's be honest those players won't be missed that much.

I hate to say that about Evans, I really do. But he is about 1/3rd the player he was when he was good.

Loomis will manage the cap masterfully as he always does.

I believe you are way off. Bunkley trade or release would only save us 2.8 million. No way we sign someone equal to him for under 2.8. Hawthorne we would only save 2.9 million. Again, who would be out there we could grab for that price? One we could do without is Evans. We would save 6 million and easily sign a replacement equal to him for under 4 million.

12-23-2014, 06:58 PM	#11
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Savings if cut or traded There is much restructure in the future of the Saints Salary Cap.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by The Dude Evans had the benefit of another pro bowl guard right next to him. I believe due to the way Brees plays it is more important for us to have strong guards than tackles. If we got a strong guard to play next to Evans I think we can still get enough solid play out of him to protect Brees for the rest of Brees career. When Brees is done we switch our focus more to left tackle. I would like a stud C and a strong G with Grubbs. If your going to protect Brees. Lelito is servicable but far from a stud. I think Evans may be done.

12-23-2014, 09:18 PM	#13
brees84 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,015	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by halloween 65 I think Evans may be done. You would cut the guy who just made it to the pro bowl? lol sarcasm
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12-23-2014, 09:46 PM	#14
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Danno Exactly. Consider Curtis Lofton. He's way overpaid at 9 Million, but if we cut him could we find a better ILB for 4 million? Obviously anyone who advocates cutting Lofton is nuts. You're not going to find a LB of his caliber in the draft. But Hawthorne, Bunkley, Evans and Colston are all easily replaceable by mid-level free agent signings and a good draft pick or two. Loomis may not be a football expert, but he's no fool. He can see the guys who are not pulling their weight just like we can. Originally Posted by halloween 65 Lelito is servicable but far from a stud. Lelito has played like a stud though, just about every time he steps on the field - except for the first half of the Cardinals game last year when he got thrown in the fire. Since then, he's been money.
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12-23-2014, 09:48 PM	#15
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Savings if cut or traded It's odd for me to say this but I say we cut Jordan, he is a 1 hit wonder at this point and could save us 7 mil. Grubbs and Evans need to stay but they need a significant pay cut to do so. Hawthorne, Bunkley and Colston are other easy cuts in my opinion. The Colston cut will be tough for some but it's clear that his production only justifies being paid like a #2 WR, but his cap hit looks like he should be top 5 in the league.

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12-23-2014, 09:50 PM	#16
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by brees84 You would cut the guy who just made it to the pro bowl? lol I saw Evans get beat too often for him to go to the pro-bowl. It feels like a charity type of selection to be honest. SaintsBro and brees84 like this.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Danno I've listed the 2015 cap and dead money figures for our 2015 team. If you look at the table, its obvious that we cannot trade several players that keep popping up in trade scenarios. Aint gonna happen For those not familiar with the term dead money, its the money that would still count against our cap if we cut or traded a player. This is the first year Brees can redo his contract without hurting team, right? No doubt he restructures his contract and helps the cap this season. I think that Evans and Colston need to restructure, if not let them go or trade them. Colston will probably restructure, not sure about Evans but he's getting long in the tooth and if he doesn't I say we let him go. WTF can we do about JG? Can we change the structure of that contract, no frigan way we really pay him 15M this season. That is so obscene. Cam Jordan, let him walk. Seriously, guy did nothing this year. For 7 mil I think we can do better, sorry, by Cam
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12-23-2014, 10:39 PM	#18
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Savings if cut or traded Jordan is on the hook for 7 million. I say we offer him a long-term deal with low cap hit for the first two years. Something like 3.5-4 million. Then escalators for the rest of the deal that pay him like an elite DL if he's earned it. If he doesn't take the deal, trade him for whatever picks/players we can get. Loved him in 2013 but he was a total no-show this year. Shape up or ship out.
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12-23-2014, 10:59 PM	#19
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Jordan is on the hook for 7 million. I say we offer him a long-term deal with low cap hit for the first two years. Something like 3.5-4 million. Then escalators for the rest of the deal that pay him like an elite DL if he's earned it. If he doesn't take the deal, trade him for whatever picks/players we can get. Loved him in 2013 but he was a total no-show this year. Shape up or ship out. ** another backended contract for someone not earning it or worth it so we can find ourselves in that same **hole with the likes of cam Jordan 3 years from now. Trade or release him. Just my opin It doesn't cost us anything to trade or release him.

12-23-2014, 11:09 PM	#20
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,770	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Jack Vegas IMO the big cuts are Hawthorne, Bunkley and Evans. That, combined with a Brees restructure, gets you in the black easily, and let's be honest those players won't be missed that much. I hate to say that about Evans, I really do. But he is about 1/3rd the player he was when he was good. Loomis will manage the cap masterfully as he always does. I believe you are way off. Bunkley trade or release would only save us 2.8 million. No way we sign someone equal to him for under 2.8. Hawthorne we would only save 2.9 million. Again, who would be out there we could grab for that price? One we could do without is Evans. We would save 6 million and easily sign a replacement equal to him for under 4 million.
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