Savings if cut or traded

Jack Vegas · 12-23-2014, 05:24 PM

IMO the big cuts are Hawthorne, Bunkley and Evans. That, combined with a Brees restructure, gets you in the black easily, and let's be honest those players won't be missed that much.

I hate to say that about Evans, I really do. But he is about 1/3rd the player he was when he was good.

Loomis will manage the cap masterfully as he always does.

The Dude · 12-23-2014, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

IMO the big cuts are Hawthorne, Bunkley and Evans. That, combined with a Brees restructure, gets you in the black easily, and let's be honest those players won't be missed that much.

I hate to say that about Evans, I really do. But he is about 1/3rd the player he was when he was good.

Loomis will manage the cap masterfully as he always does.

Evans had the benefit of another pro bowl guard right next to him. I believe due to the way Brees plays it is more important for us to have strong guards than tackles. If we got a strong guard to play next to Evans I think we can still get enough solid play out of him to protect Brees for the rest of Brees career. When Brees is done we switch our focus more to left tackle.

halloween 65 · 12-23-2014, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Evans had the benefit of another pro bowl guard right next to him. I believe due to the way Brees plays it is more important for us to have strong guards than tackles. If we got a strong guard to play next to Evans I think we can still get enough solid play out of him to protect Brees for the rest of Brees career. When Brees is done we switch our focus more to left tackle.

I would like a stud C and a strong G with Grubbs. If your going to protect Brees. Lelito is servicable but far from a stud. I think Evans may be done.

brees84 · 12-23-2014, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I think Evans may be done.

You would cut the guy who just made it to the pro bowl? lol

sarcasm

blackangold · 12-23-2014, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by brees84

You would cut the guy who just made it to the pro bowl? lol

I saw Evans get beat too often for him to go to the pro-bowl. It feels like a charity type of selection to be honest.

voodooido · 12-23-2014, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

IMO the big cuts are Hawthorne, Bunkley and Evans. That, combined with a Brees restructure, gets you in the black easily, and let's be honest those players won't be missed that much.

I hate to say that about Evans, I really do. But he is about 1/3rd the player he was when he was good.

Loomis will manage the cap masterfully as he always does.

I believe you are way off. Bunkley trade or release would only save us 2.8 million. No way we sign someone equal to him for under 2.8. Hawthorne we would only save 2.9 million. Again, who would be out there we could grab for that price? One we could do without is Evans. We would save 6 million and easily sign a replacement equal to him for under 4 million.

Jack Vegas · 12-23-2014, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

I believe you are way off. Bunkley trade or release would only save us 2.8 million. No way we sign someone equal to him for under 2.8.

Bunkley wasn't that good this year before he got hurt, and we did great without him for a huge chunk of last year. Veteran nose tackles are a dime a dozen. We don't need him.

Originally Posted by voodooido

Hawthorne we would only save 2.9 million. Again, who would be out there we could grab for that price?

We don't have to. Humber is better than Hawthorne and he's already on the roster.

voodooido · 12-23-2014, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Bunkley wasn't that good this year before he got hurt, and we did great without him for a huge chunk of last year. Veteran nose tackles are a dime a dozen. We don't need him.

We don't have to. Humber is better than Hawthorne and he's already on the roster.

Humbar had 29 tackles, no sacks and no ints, played in 15 games
Hawthorne had 47 tackles, 3 sacks and 1 int, played in 11 games

Jack Vegas · 12-23-2014, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Humbar had 29 tackles, no sacks and no ints, played in 15 games
Hawthorne had 47 tackles, 3 sacks and 1 int, played in 11 games

Curtis Lofton is 5th in the NFL in tackles. Do you think that makes him the NFL's 5th-best defensive player?

Stats don't tell the whole story. I use my eyes. My eyes tell me that Humber is younger, faster, better in pass coverage and doesn't overpursue against the run all the time.

And all of Hawthorne's sacks came in one game against Jay Cutler. He is hot garbage. We would've been better off re-signing Will Herring to play that spot all year.

blackangold · 12-23-2014, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Humbar had 29 tackles, no sacks and no ints, played in 15 games
Hawthorne had 47 tackles, 3 sacks and 1 int, played in 11 games

The fact that Hawthorne only had 47 tackles and played 90% of the snaps says it all.

Stats tell a lot of lies. Ill never agree that we should keep Hawthorne or Bunk and PFF a stat site would agree with me.

12-23-2014, 05:24 PM	#1
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Savings if cut or traded IMO the big cuts are Hawthorne, Bunkley and Evans. That, combined with a Brees restructure, gets you in the black easily, and let's be honest those players won't be missed that much. I hate to say that about Evans, I really do. But he is about 1/3rd the player he was when he was good. Loomis will manage the cap masterfully as he always does.
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12-23-2014, 05:41 PM	#2
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Jack Vegas IMO the big cuts are Hawthorne, Bunkley and Evans. That, combined with a Brees restructure, gets you in the black easily, and let's be honest those players won't be missed that much. I hate to say that about Evans, I really do. But he is about 1/3rd the player he was when he was good. Loomis will manage the cap masterfully as he always does. Evans had the benefit of another pro bowl guard right next to him. I believe due to the way Brees plays it is more important for us to have strong guards than tackles. If we got a strong guard to play next to Evans I think we can still get enough solid play out of him to protect Brees for the rest of Brees career. When Brees is done we switch our focus more to left tackle.
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12-23-2014, 08:05 PM	#3
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by The Dude Evans had the benefit of another pro bowl guard right next to him. I believe due to the way Brees plays it is more important for us to have strong guards than tackles. If we got a strong guard to play next to Evans I think we can still get enough solid play out of him to protect Brees for the rest of Brees career. When Brees is done we switch our focus more to left tackle. I would like a stud C and a strong G with Grubbs. If your going to protect Brees. Lelito is servicable but far from a stud. I think Evans may be done.

12-23-2014, 08:18 PM	#4
brees84 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,015	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by halloween 65 I think Evans may be done. You would cut the guy who just made it to the pro bowl? lol sarcasm
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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by brees84 You would cut the guy who just made it to the pro bowl? lol I saw Evans get beat too often for him to go to the pro-bowl. It feels like a charity type of selection to be honest. SaintsBro and brees84 like this.

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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,840	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Jack Vegas IMO the big cuts are Hawthorne, Bunkley and Evans. That, combined with a Brees restructure, gets you in the black easily, and let's be honest those players won't be missed that much. I hate to say that about Evans, I really do. But he is about 1/3rd the player he was when he was good. Loomis will manage the cap masterfully as he always does. I believe you are way off. Bunkley trade or release would only save us 2.8 million. No way we sign someone equal to him for under 2.8. Hawthorne we would only save 2.9 million. Again, who would be out there we could grab for that price? One we could do without is Evans. We would save 6 million and easily sign a replacement equal to him for under 4 million.
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12-23-2014, 10:19 PM	#7
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by voodooido I believe you are way off. Bunkley trade or release would only save us 2.8 million. No way we sign someone equal to him for under 2.8. Bunkley wasn't that good this year before he got hurt, and we did great without him for a huge chunk of last year. Veteran nose tackles are a dime a dozen. We don't need him. Originally Posted by voodooido Hawthorne we would only save 2.9 million. Again, who would be out there we could grab for that price? We don't have to. Humber is better than Hawthorne and he's already on the roster.
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12-23-2014, 10:25 PM	#8
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,840	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Bunkley wasn't that good this year before he got hurt, and we did great without him for a huge chunk of last year. Veteran nose tackles are a dime a dozen. We don't need him. We don't have to. Humber is better than Hawthorne and he's already on the roster. Humbar had 29 tackles, no sacks and no ints, played in 15 games Hawthorne had 47 tackles, 3 sacks and 1 int, played in 11 games
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12-23-2014, 10:30 PM	#9
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by voodooido Humbar had 29 tackles, no sacks and no ints, played in 15 games Hawthorne had 47 tackles, 3 sacks and 1 int, played in 11 games Curtis Lofton is 5th in the NFL in tackles. Do you think that makes him the NFL's 5th-best defensive player? Stats don't tell the whole story. I use my eyes. My eyes tell me that Humber is younger, faster, better in pass coverage and doesn't overpursue against the run all the time. And all of Hawthorne's sacks came in one game against Jay Cutler. He is hot garbage. We would've been better off re-signing Will Herring to play that spot all year.
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12-23-2014, 11:04 PM	#10
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by voodooido Humbar had 29 tackles, no sacks and no ints, played in 15 games Hawthorne had 47 tackles, 3 sacks and 1 int, played in 11 games The fact that Hawthorne only had 47 tackles and played 90% of the snaps says it all. Stats tell a lot of lies. Ill never agree that we should keep Hawthorne or Bunk and PFF a stat site would agree with me.

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