Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks

nola_swammi · 03-11-2015, 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

A proven commodity and a 1st rounder is better than two first rounders, neither of which are proven. That's what makes this a good deal. The only thing I don't like is that he's with the Seahawks, but as critical as I've been of our front office in recent years, I honestly don't think they would have traded him to THAT team without exploring all other options first. The most suitable return just ended up being the hags.

Proven he was injured half of the season and we given up a 4th round pick for him. He now a saint and I hope he can produce but I am still skeptical. No way was this a even trade more like a message to the locker room

burningmetal · 03-11-2015, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Proven he was injured half of the season and we given up a 4th round pick for him. He now a saint and I hope he can produce but I am still skeptical. No way was this a even trade more like a message to the locker room

You're defending Graham on one hand saying he was injured, and on the other hand you saying Unger is not an acceptable return because he was injured. He's not injured now. Will he be injured again? I could ask that question about any player. Injuries happen. It's not like he's Derrick Rose (I know, different sport) out there getting hurt every other week.

spkb25 · 03-11-2015, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I often find myself wondering why people always want to justify any move the Saints make, but this actually isn't one of them.

I don't see this as anyone hating on Jimmy, either. People are just realizing that we have bigger needs and something major had to happen. All this restructuring crap we do every year gets us nowhere. Now we free up Graham's cap space, plus the player and draft pick we got in return.

A proven commodity and a 1st rounder is better than two first rounders, neither of which are proven. That's what makes this a good deal. The only thing I don't like is that he's with the Seahawks, but as critical as I've been of our front office in recent years, I honestly don't think they would have traded him to THAT team without exploring all other options first. The most suitable return just ended up being the hags.

This is a good post bro. It is exactly what it is. I love JG, and I don't like seeing him in that seachichen gear, but we need a team. We need a 2009 type offense, and we are not getting that without fixing the oline.

Seahawks12th · 03-10-2015, 06:28 PM

Bruce Irvin still wants to fight Jimmy Graham... Oh God!!!

Seahawks’ Bruce Irvin calls out new teammate Jimmy Graham | For The Win

arsaint · 03-10-2015, 06:35 PM

The question that will be answered is how much of JG's production was JG's talent and how much of it stemmed from Sean's offense and Brees' HOF career...

Danno · 03-10-2015, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by arsaint

The question that will be answered is how much of JG's production was JG's talent and how much of it stemmed from Sean's offense and Brees' HOF career...

Answer clear, no way we win a Superbowl without Graham.
Oh, wait...

Williebing · 03-10-2015, 07:27 PM

I trust Peyton's judgment, but it is hard to believe they couldn't get more than a center whose health is suspect, and a 2 1/2 round improvement for one pick.

Boutte · 03-10-2015, 07:39 PM

If Unger comes in and stabilizes the Oline it will do more to improve this team than keeping JG. Not playing down Jimmy's value or talent but giving Drew protection will go a lot further than one receiver.

That's if with a capital I though.

ChrisXVI · 03-10-2015, 07:44 PM

I posted this in the Max Unger thread, but I'll post it here as well... From Pro Football Focus:

Saints: Balanced Unger solidifies center spot
Ben Stockwell | March 10, 2015

There may be some consternation about the Saints giving up Jimmy Graham in this trade but they have at least acquired one of the league’s premier centers and upgraded a fourth round pick to a first round pick with it. Though fans won’t be swooning over Max Unger’s play-making ability, he ties down the center of the Saints’ line with a quality blocker in both the run and pass games.

This season injuries limited Unger to 385 snaps in the regular season but some punishing and consistent run blocking in those limited snaps ensured he finished as our No. 4 ranked center. Only twice in his nine starts last season did Unger grade below zero and he graded above +1.0 in six of those games. But for injury this season looked like being a match for Unger’s 2012 season where he earned a +31.1 overall grade, built around his run blocking where he never earned a run block grade below -1.0 all season long.

The loss of Graham will be felt in New Orleans and the Saints will need plans in place to replace him, but their offense has always been at its strongest when it has balance, and that balance is centered on their offensive line. With Jahri Evans starting to decline the Saints have moved to lock down their interior offensive line with the acquisition of Unger and having re-signed Mark Ingram we may yet see a re-emphasis of the running game in New Orleans this season.

xan · 03-10-2015, 07:52 PM

I hope that there are a lot of 6'8" power forwards at the end of the draft.

03-11-2015, 03:18 AM	#1
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by burningmetal A proven commodity and a 1st rounder is better than two first rounders, neither of which are proven. That's what makes this a good deal. The only thing I don't like is that he's with the Seahawks, but as critical as I've been of our front office in recent years, I honestly don't think they would have traded him to THAT team without exploring all other options first. The most suitable return just ended up being the hags. Proven he was injured half of the season and we given up a 4th round pick for him. He now a saint and I hope he can produce but I am still skeptical. No way was this a even trade more like a message to the locker room

03-11-2015, 03:34 AM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi Proven he was injured half of the season and we given up a 4th round pick for him. He now a saint and I hope he can produce but I am still skeptical. No way was this a even trade more like a message to the locker room You're defending Graham on one hand saying he was injured, and on the other hand you saying Unger is not an acceptable return because he was injured. He's not injured now. Will he be injured again? I could ask that question about any player. Injuries happen. It's not like he's Derrick Rose (I know, different sport) out there getting hurt every other week.

03-11-2015, 07:03 AM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by burningmetal I often find myself wondering why people always want to justify any move the Saints make, but this actually isn't one of them. I don't see this as anyone hating on Jimmy, either. People are just realizing that we have bigger needs and something major had to happen. All this restructuring crap we do every year gets us nowhere. Now we free up Graham's cap space, plus the player and draft pick we got in return. A proven commodity and a 1st rounder is better than two first rounders, neither of which are proven. That's what makes this a good deal. The only thing I don't like is that he's with the Seahawks, but as critical as I've been of our front office in recent years, I honestly don't think they would have traded him to THAT team without exploring all other options first. The most suitable return just ended up being the hags. This is a good post bro. It is exactly what it is. I love JG, and I don't like seeing him in that seachichen gear, but we need a team. We need a 2009 type offense, and we are not getting that without fixing the oline.

03-10-2015, 06:28 PM	#4
Seahawks12th 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 188	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Bruce Irvin still wants to fight Jimmy Graham... Oh God!!! Seahawks’ Bruce Irvin calls out new teammate Jimmy Graham \| For The Win

03-10-2015, 06:35 PM	#5
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,744	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks The question that will be answered is how much of JG's production was JG's talent and how much of it stemmed from Sean's offense and Brees' HOF career... jeanpierre and Mr.Riaton like this.

03-10-2015, 06:48 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by arsaint The question that will be answered is how much of JG's production was JG's talent and how much of it stemmed from Sean's offense and Brees' HOF career... Answer clear, no way we win a Superbowl without Graham. Oh, wait... Halo, spkb25, Tobias-Reiper and 3 others like this.

03-10-2015, 07:27 PM	#7
Williebing Rookie Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 7	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks I trust Peyton's judgment, but it is hard to believe they couldn't get more than a center whose health is suspect, and a 2 1/2 round improvement for one pick.
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03-10-2015, 07:39 PM	#8
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks If Unger comes in and stabilizes the Oline it will do more to improve this team than keeping JG. Not playing down Jimmy's value or talent but giving Drew protection will go a lot further than one receiver. That's if with a capital I though. Halo, spkb25 and hagan714 like this.

03-10-2015, 07:44 PM	#9
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks I posted this in the Max Unger thread, but I'll post it here as well... From Pro Football Focus: Saints: Balanced Unger solidifies center spot Ben Stockwell \| March 10, 2015 There may be some consternation about the Saints giving up Jimmy Graham in this trade but they have at least acquired one of the league’s premier centers and upgraded a fourth round pick to a first round pick with it. Though fans won’t be swooning over Max Unger’s play-making ability, he ties down the center of the Saints’ line with a quality blocker in both the run and pass games. This season injuries limited Unger to 385 snaps in the regular season but some punishing and consistent run blocking in those limited snaps ensured he finished as our No. 4 ranked center. Only twice in his nine starts last season did Unger grade below zero and he graded above +1.0 in six of those games. But for injury this season looked like being a match for Unger’s 2012 season where he earned a +31.1 overall grade, built around his run blocking where he never earned a run block grade below -1.0 all season long. The loss of Graham will be felt in New Orleans and the Saints will need plans in place to replace him, but their offense has always been at its strongest when it has balance, and that balance is centered on their offensive line. With Jahri Evans starting to decline the Saints have moved to lock down their interior offensive line with the acquisition of Unger and having re-signed Mark Ingram we may yet see a re-emphasis of the running game in New Orleans this season. spkb25 and hagan714 like this.

03-10-2015, 07:52 PM	#10
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks I hope that there are a lot of 6'8" power forwards at the end of the draft.

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