4th and 20 D was Sean's call

dizzle88 · 08-14-2015, 02:39 PM

I expect our D line to improve with Akiem Hicks in the game, he has had a great training camp from reports.

foreverfan · 08-14-2015, 02:42 PM

Let's face it... Some things are just messed up.

halloween 65 · 08-14-2015, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I expect our D line to improve with Akiem Hicks in the game, he has had a great training camp from reports.

Kool-Aid!!

halloween 65 · 08-14-2015, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Yes sir... I'm simply not understanding our defensive game plan. I though we were supposed to be going to a 3-4, yet we bring 3 tech DTs. On other occasions we are playing 4-3 but play LB's at DE. I often wonder if the Big Lebowski knows what he wants on D. We have a lot of speed and size this year, yet we play the opposite .

I'm not in panic mode yet however there is reason to be concerned... specifically on defense.

Without a stud up front it may be a long season. I also think we have enough speed, enough for a 3-4. I don't like our D coaches(Vitt and Johnson) not being able to get this down, there are better out there than those 2 to teach and get the most out of their players.

WillSaints81 · 08-14-2015, 05:07 PM

We don't have a reason to play hard now. Before, it was Katrina, then it was trying to prove they're not a one year fluke. We need that reason again to win, it isn't going to be to show up the commissioner.

skymike · 08-14-2015, 05:18 PM

I think he's just covering for Rob.

|Mitch| · 08-14-2015, 07:39 PM

Who cares; it's preseason... What better time to try it and see how it works out?

MarchingOn · 08-14-2015, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

We have a lot of speed and size at LB, but we lack the D-line to support them. I don't think Jenkins or Williams is the answer, they both got schooled by the 1s. The RB and O-line was on top of our LBs as soon as the ball was snapped, our DTs might as well of stayed home.

My biggest concern with this team is from the DTs, or lack thereof. #95 and #71 played well at the spots in scrub time but who knows what they'll do against the 1s.

I'd have supported a trade up in the 1st (for once) for NT Shelton just to finally change all this. Rumors are the Saints brain trust finally decided to fix our soft underbelly but Cleaveland beat us to the pick.

Missing out on that big man, really wanted Xavier Williams (DT, N. Iowa) or SOMEONE BIG in the 7th. In 2014, we take SJB (58th) over NT Dix (83rd)? In 2013, NT Kwame Geathers who went UDFA was there in the 7th and made a team. What? Didn't like the name Geathers this decade? Why don't we take a flier on some big ones late?

Well, recently we picked up veteran DT K. Williams, at least. Pray we're not yet done.

burningmetal · 08-14-2015, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

I keep hearing how meaningless preseason is, but its weird how this looked exactly like the team we watched lose last year in the regular season.

Both lines getting punked.
Defense giving up big stupid plays, on 3rd & 4th & long.
Stupid penalties. Anyone who cant figure out where to line up, or how to
figure out where the line of scrimmage is, shouldnt play football.
No pass rush.
Poor blitz pickup.
Some flashes of offense.

Looks like the backups are chips off the old starters blocks.

It sure looks like real problems to me.
For now, we suck.

The thing is, you could be right are it could be nothing. I get that people aren't impressed. I'm never impressed by these games, no matter what happens. There just isn't any way of knowing how guys will be lined up or how much harder they will play when it actually matters.

I remember in Sean's first year here we went 1-3 in pre-season. It wasn't just the record that looked bad. I remember we got blown out by Dallas in one of those games, 30-7. They looked completely inept and were coming off that 3-13 season. We all had high hopes for Brees, but it just looked like the team was too bad.

Well, we all remember how that season ended up, and we beat that same Dallas team 42-14, or whatever it was. Now we could have an identical performance in this pre-season and end up being bad. The point is that it tells us almost nothing. That's just how I see it. I'm not justifying any of the bad, but I've seen too many weird things in these games to really form an actual opinion over it.

ChrisXVI · 08-14-2015, 11:01 PM

Why can't Payton just leave well enough alone when it comes to defense? One minute he's announcing we're switching to a 3-4 and hires an appropriate coordinator to run it. After one up and one down season he brings in Dennis Allen and we switch back to a 4-3 essentially making Rob Ryan a lame duck defensive coordinator.

Wanna know why we might suck on defense again this year? How about having a coordinator on his way out, a defensive assistant who is already affecting the scheme, and a head coach who is offensive-minded overriding both of them to call defensive plays. It's a mess folks.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call I expect our D line to improve with Akiem Hicks in the game, he has had a great training camp from reports.

08-14-2015, 02:42 PM	#22
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Let's face it... Some things are just messed up. hagan714 likes this.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by dizzle88 I expect our D line to improve with Akiem Hicks in the game, he has had a great training camp from reports. Kool-Aid!!

08-14-2015, 03:02 PM	#24
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by K Major Yes sir... I'm simply not understanding our defensive game plan. I though we were supposed to be going to a 3-4, yet we bring 3 tech DTs. On other occasions we are playing 4-3 but play LB's at DE. I often wonder if the Big Lebowski knows what he wants on D. We have a lot of speed and size this year, yet we play the opposite . I'm not in panic mode yet however there is reason to be concerned... specifically on defense. Without a stud up front it may be a long season. I also think we have enough speed, enough for a 3-4. I don't like our D coaches(Vitt and Johnson) not being able to get this down, there are better out there than those 2 to teach and get the most out of their players.

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MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by blackangold We have a lot of speed and size at LB, but we lack the D-line to support them. I don't think Jenkins or Williams is the answer, they both got schooled by the 1s. The RB and O-line was on top of our LBs as soon as the ball was snapped, our DTs might as well of stayed home. My biggest concern with this team is from the DTs, or lack thereof. #95 and #71 played well at the spots in scrub time but who knows what they'll do against the 1s. I'd have supported a trade up in the 1st (for once) for NT Shelton just to finally change all this. Rumors are the Saints brain trust finally decided to fix our soft underbelly but Cleaveland beat us to the pick. Missing out on that big man, really wanted Xavier Williams (DT, N. Iowa) or SOMEONE BIG in the 7th. In 2014, we take SJB (58th) over NT Dix (83rd)? In 2013, NT Kwame Geathers who went UDFA was there in the 7th and made a team. What? Didn't like the name Geathers this decade? Why don't we take a flier on some big ones late? Well, recently we picked up veteran DT K. Williams, at least. Pray we're not yet done. hagan714 likes this.

08-14-2015, 09:39 PM	#29
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by skymike I keep hearing how meaningless preseason is, but its weird how this looked exactly like the team we watched lose last year in the regular season. Both lines getting punked. Defense giving up big stupid plays, on 3rd & 4th & long. Stupid penalties. Anyone who cant figure out where to line up, or how to figure out where the line of scrimmage is, shouldnt play football. No pass rush. Poor blitz pickup. Some flashes of offense. Looks like the backups are chips off the old starters blocks. It sure looks like real problems to me. For now, we suck. The thing is, you could be right are it could be nothing. I get that people aren't impressed. I'm never impressed by these games, no matter what happens. There just isn't any way of knowing how guys will be lined up or how much harder they will play when it actually matters. I remember in Sean's first year here we went 1-3 in pre-season. It wasn't just the record that looked bad. I remember we got blown out by Dallas in one of those games, 30-7. They looked completely inept and were coming off that 3-13 season. We all had high hopes for Brees, but it just looked like the team was too bad. Well, we all remember how that season ended up, and we beat that same Dallas team 42-14, or whatever it was. Now we could have an identical performance in this pre-season and end up being bad. The point is that it tells us almost nothing. That's just how I see it. I'm not justifying any of the bad, but I've seen too many weird things in these games to really form an actual opinion over it.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Why can't Payton just leave well enough alone when it comes to defense? One minute he's announcing we're switching to a 3-4 and hires an appropriate coordinator to run it. After one up and one down season he brings in Dennis Allen and we switch back to a 4-3 essentially making Rob Ryan a lame duck defensive coordinator. Wanna know why we might suck on defense again this year? How about having a coordinator on his way out, a defensive assistant who is already affecting the scheme, and a head coach who is offensive-minded overriding both of them to call defensive plays. It's a mess folks. hagan714 likes this.

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