4th and 20 D was Sean's call

Cruize · 08-14-2015, 10:31 AM

If they would have dropped back in prevent, the result would have probably been the same. The Ravens OLine did a good job. The QB made the throw. And the receiver made a heck of an effort to get past the sticks. It is what it is. The lack of effort and/or execution by the starters is more concerning than a late play with the scrubs vs. scrubs in a meaningless game.

QBREES9 · 08-14-2015, 10:35 AM

Ok that ones on you Sean. Knock it off.

Rugby Saint II · 08-14-2015, 12:19 PM

Stick with calling offensive plays and leave the defense to RR.......for now anyway.

Beastmode · 08-14-2015, 12:33 PM

Rob Ryan would be an awful horror film director. I know exactly where the big screams are going to be; 4th and long every time!!! Tragicomedy though he gets the Oscar nod.

xan · 08-14-2015, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I have zero opinion about this game. I didn't watch it, I didn't follow it online, and I barely even thought about it. The pre-season is boring enough, but I learned a long time ago that the first one and the last one are especially meaningless.

I wouldn't have known about this 4th and 20 play if it weren't for this thread, but I can't say I really care about it. This is what we should expect. It's either going to be vanilla or over the top aggressive in the most inappropriate times. It's just practice. Now if guys are missing tackles and dropping passes, that's something to complain about, but hardly anyone of importance was playing.

I couldn't be bothered to pay attention either. There's enough frustrating stuff to watch than the paroxysm that is the 1st Saints' preseason game. This is either going to be representative of the team, or it won't. We won't really know until the 3rd preseason game at best.

That being said, $150 million in salaries would have projected a slightly more coherent 1st game than has been reported. Is the altitude in WVa causing brain damage?

jeanpierre · 08-14-2015, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

I keep hearing how meaningless preseason is, but its weird how this looked exactly like the team we watched lose last year in the regular season.

Exactly...

While I'm nowhere near panic mode, or more accurately - soured; that game threaded out like many of the disappointed losses we had last season, so there is some concern...

There's time to get it fixed...

But the big concerns I have is Payton making that call and neither Ryan nor Allen being strong enough to say "no" and the other is with a semi-jailhouse blitz we weren't even able to get near the quarterback...

WTF is the pressure going to coming from because Cam Jordan is going to bring it consistently...

ScottF · 08-14-2015, 12:56 PM

Good Job Sean,
You have a defensive asst head coach (Vitt) and two defensive coordinators, buy YOU"RE calling the plays

K Major · 08-14-2015, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Now it's the same old crap out of our D. I'm not liking this 4-3 under we're playing more and more. It's more of a 4-3 blunder.

Yes sir... I'm simply not understanding our defensive game plan. I though we were supposed to be going to a 3-4, yet we bring 3 tech DTs. On other occasions we are playing 4-3 but play LB's at DE. I often wonder if the Big Lebowski knows what he wants on D. We have a lot of speed and size this year, yet we play the opposite

.

I'm not in panic mode yet however there is reason to be concerned... specifically on defense.

blackangold · 08-14-2015, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Yes sir... I'm simply not understanding our defensive game plan. I though we were supposed to be going to a 3-4, yet we bring 3 tech DTs. On other occasions we are playing 4-3 but play LB's at DE. I often wonder if the Big Lebowski knows what he wants on D. We have a lot of speed and size this year, yet we play the opposite .

I'm not in panic mode yet however there is reason to be concerned... specifically on defense.

We have a lot of speed and size at LB, but we lack the D-line to support them. I don't think Jenkins or Williams is the answer, they both got schooled by the 1s. The RB and O-line was on top of our LBs as soon as the ball was snapped, our DTs might as well of stayed home.

My biggest concern with this team is from the DTs, or lack thereof. #95 and #71 played well at the spots in scrub time but who knows what they'll do against the 1s.

The Dude · 08-14-2015, 02:34 PM

Shows Sean doesn't completely trust his assistants. Maybe he just wanted to see how the team would with the pressure on to get a feel of how well we can blitz. Maybe he figured if it didn't work that at least it would put the defense against the wall, under pressure, when the games on the line

08-14-2015, 10:31 AM	#11
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call If they would have dropped back in prevent, the result would have probably been the same. The Ravens OLine did a good job. The QB made the throw. And the receiver made a heck of an effort to get past the sticks. It is what it is. The lack of effort and/or execution by the starters is more concerning than a late play with the scrubs vs. scrubs in a meaningless game.
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08-14-2015, 10:35 AM	#12
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Ok that ones on you Sean. Knock it off. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Stick with calling offensive plays and leave the defense to RR.......for now anyway.

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Rob Ryan would be an awful horror film director. I know exactly where the big screams are going to be; 4th and long every time!!! Tragicomedy though he gets the Oscar nod. hagan714 likes this.
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08-14-2015, 12:39 PM	#15
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,371 Blog Entries: 34	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by burningmetal I have zero opinion about this game. I didn't watch it, I didn't follow it online, and I barely even thought about it. The pre-season is boring enough, but I learned a long time ago that the first one and the last one are especially meaningless. I wouldn't have known about this 4th and 20 play if it weren't for this thread, but I can't say I really care about it. This is what we should expect. It's either going to be vanilla or over the top aggressive in the most inappropriate times. It's just practice. Now if guys are missing tackles and dropping passes, that's something to complain about, but hardly anyone of importance was playing. I couldn't be bothered to pay attention either. There's enough frustrating stuff to watch than the paroxysm that is the 1st Saints' preseason game. This is either going to be representative of the team, or it won't. We won't really know until the 3rd preseason game at best. That being said, $150 million in salaries would have projected a slightly more coherent 1st game than has been reported. Is the altitude in WVa causing brain damage?

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by skymike I keep hearing how meaningless preseason is, but its weird how this looked exactly like the team we watched lose last year in the regular season. Exactly... While I'm nowhere near panic mode, or more accurately - soured; that game threaded out like many of the disappointed losses we had last season, so there is some concern... There's time to get it fixed... But the big concerns I have is Payton making that call and neither Ryan nor Allen being strong enough to say "no" and the other is with a semi-jailhouse blitz we weren't even able to get near the quarterback... WTF is the pressure going to coming from because Cam Jordan is going to bring it consistently... hagan714 likes this.

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Good Job Sean, You have a defensive asst head coach (Vitt) and two defensive coordinators, buy YOU"RE calling the plays

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by halloween 65 Now it's the same old crap out of our D. I'm not liking this 4-3 under we're playing more and more. It's more of a 4-3 blunder. Yes sir... I'm simply not understanding our defensive game plan. I though we were supposed to be going to a 3-4, yet we bring 3 tech DTs. On other occasions we are playing 4-3 but play LB's at DE. I often wonder if the Big Lebowski knows what he wants on D. We have a lot of speed and size this year, yet we play the opposite . I'm not in panic mode yet however there is reason to be concerned... specifically on defense. jeanpierre and halloween 65 like this.

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Originally Posted by K Major Yes sir... I'm simply not understanding our defensive game plan. I though we were supposed to be going to a 3-4, yet we bring 3 tech DTs. On other occasions we are playing 4-3 but play LB's at DE. I often wonder if the Big Lebowski knows what he wants on D. We have a lot of speed and size this year, yet we play the opposite . I'm not in panic mode yet however there is reason to be concerned... specifically on defense. We have a lot of speed and size at LB, but we lack the D-line to support them. I don't think Jenkins or Williams is the answer, they both got schooled by the 1s. The RB and O-line was on top of our LBs as soon as the ball was snapped, our DTs might as well of stayed home. My biggest concern with this team is from the DTs, or lack thereof. #95 and #71 played well at the spots in scrub time but who knows what they'll do against the 1s. hagan714 and K Major like this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: 4th and 20 D was Sean's call Shows Sean doesn't completely trust his assistants. Maybe he just wanted to see how the team would with the pressure on to get a feel of how well we can blitz. Maybe he figured if it didn't work that at least it would put the defense against the wall, under pressure, when the games on the line
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