Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?

GumboBC · 02-19-2005, 02:30 PM

Where did you get your info, BC?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byposition?pos=QB

ScottyRo · 02-19-2005, 02:33 PM

thanks

papz · 02-19-2005, 02:38 PM

Oh yea 4.5 ranks in at the bottom half of the league. What matters most are points scored, and Brooks hasn\'t been doing that great.

chRxis · 02-19-2005, 03:24 PM

well, gumbo, i\'ll put it like this.... all those other qb\'s with more interceptions and crap, yeah, ALL of them led their team to the playoffs at least once in the past 4 years (same # of seasons ab has been qb).... i\'m not a brooks basher, but i do believe that proof is in the pudding, and i believe i speak on behalf of the entire saint nation when i ask when is enough enough? the last 3 season all i\'ve heard from the media, coaches, and even this board is, \'well, once he finds his consistency he\'ll be great and lead us to the promised land\' (that sort of garbage) and yet no playoffs.... i\'m not saying the king of new orleans (so he thinks) is all to blame, but facts are facts and even though he puts up great numbers (can\'t debate ya there), he fails miserably as the leader this team needs to catapult them to the top of the NFC south

GumboBC · 02-19-2005, 03:30 PM

What\'s up chRxis ?

I just can never understand why some folks thinks Brooks is going to LEAD us anywhere with the defense we\'ve got.

How realistic is it to think we\'re gonna make the playoffs with the 32nd ranked defense.

Even if we did somehow manage to squeak in, we\'d get bounced out so quick it\'d make your head swim....

No one wants to look at the terribly weak areas that are surronding Brooks. I\'m telling ya, I think this team is overrated as a whole.

Great speed at the receiving spots. But besides Joe Horn, it\'s not much else there but speed.

Great runningback in Deuce. WHEN healthy.

Terrible offensive line.

Terrible defense.

Brooks would need to be Mike Vick to get this team to the playoffs.

[Edited on 19/2/2005 by GumboBC]

WhoDat · 02-19-2005, 03:41 PM

2003 - KC Chiefs. Defensive rank: 28th. They made the playoffs, no?

How has Indy\'s defense been? Minnesota\'s?

Look - you\'re right that the defense is a much bigger concern and it needs to get better before the Saints can go anywhere. But if your point is that b/c the defense is a big problem that Aaron Brooks is therefore not a problem at all, then your logic is flawed. The Saints should focus on defense, but that doesn\'t mean that finding a replacement for Brooks isn\'t a good idea and something that will need to be done sooner or later.

GumboBC · 02-19-2005, 03:58 PM

Look - you\'re right that the defense is a much bigger concern and it needs to get better before the Saints can go anywhere. But if your point is that b/c the defense is a big problem that Aaron Brooks is therefore not a problem at all, then your logic is flawed.

I don\'t think AB is anymore of a problem than a lot of other players. And I don\'t think he\'s a big of a problem as the offensive line or defense. And I believe if those things are corrected that Brooks will be just fine.

In terms of \"problems\" , Brooks is WAY down on my list.

Where\'s Brooks\' at on your list?

papz · 02-19-2005, 04:03 PM

Who in here said he was going to lead us anywhere without improving? Aren\'t you in this thread supporting Brooks by comparing his stats to other qb\'s? How in the world is this 8-8 team every year over rated by any means? At which position is team over rated in? No one wants to look at the weak areas surrounding Brooks? Are you joking me? The whole forum criticizes every aspect on our team. You aren\'t making any sense.

Our defense is the main problem of this team... not AB, well at least not entirely him. One injured year from Deuce and you make it seem as if he\'s injury-prone. One bad year from our line and now it\'s absolutely terrible. Try not to over exaggerate it so bad. I can show you at least 10 teams who are in much worse positions then we are because unlike other teams, we have talent here.

GumboBC · 02-19-2005, 04:09 PM

papz --

My comments are in no way directed at you.

But, there are folks in here who blame Brooks almost entirely!

That\'s the folks I\'m speaking of.

Given the fact that there\'s so many Brooks\' threads, it just goes to show you how much of a problem some folks thinks he is.

How many \"let\'s fix the defense\" threads do you see in comparison to \"Brooks Sucks\" threads? Staring to see my point?

I keep getting told that Brooks is a major problem and that\'s the BIGGEST thing that needs to be corrected. Surly you\'ve read some of the same stuff I have?

Oh, our offensive line has sucked at PASS blocking for the last 2 years. And they\'ve sucked at holding and jumping offsides the past 2 years. I\'m not exagerating one-bit. They suck.

JOESAM2002 · 02-19-2005, 04:11 PM

I just have to ask this question. If AB is as great as he says he is, why is it that our offense cannot maintain a sustained drive to keep our porous defense off the field? Does this mean it\'s the other 10 players fault?

02-19-2005, 02:30 PM	#11
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02-19-2005, 02:33 PM	#12
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? thanks

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? Oh yea 4.5 ranks in at the bottom half of the league. What matters most are points scored, and Brooks hasn\'t been doing that great.

02-19-2005, 03:24 PM	#14
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? well, gumbo, i\'ll put it like this.... all those other qb\'s with more interceptions and crap, yeah, ALL of them led their team to the playoffs at least once in the past 4 years (same # of seasons ab has been qb).... i\'m not a brooks basher, but i do believe that proof is in the pudding, and i believe i speak on behalf of the entire saint nation when i ask when is enough enough? the last 3 season all i\'ve heard from the media, coaches, and even this board is, \'well, once he finds his consistency he\'ll be great and lead us to the promised land\' (that sort of garbage) and yet no playoffs.... i\'m not saying the king of new orleans (so he thinks) is all to blame, but facts are facts and even though he puts up great numbers (can\'t debate ya there), he fails miserably as the leader this team needs to catapult them to the top of the NFC south

02-19-2005, 03:30 PM	#15
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? What\'s up chRxis ? I just can never understand why some folks thinks Brooks is going to LEAD us anywhere with the defense we\'ve got. How realistic is it to think we\'re gonna make the playoffs with the 32nd ranked defense. Even if we did somehow manage to squeak in, we\'d get bounced out so quick it\'d make your head swim.... No one wants to look at the terribly weak areas that are surronding Brooks. I\'m telling ya, I think this team is overrated as a whole. Great speed at the receiving spots. But besides Joe Horn, it\'s not much else there but speed. Great runningback in Deuce. WHEN healthy. Terrible offensive line. Terrible defense. Brooks would need to be Mike Vick to get this team to the playoffs. [Edited on 19/2/2005 by GumboBC]
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02-19-2005, 03:58 PM	#17
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? Look - you\'re right that the defense is a much bigger concern and it needs to get better before the Saints can go anywhere. But if your point is that b/c the defense is a big problem that Aaron Brooks is therefore not a problem at all, then your logic is flawed. I don\'t think AB is anymore of a problem than a lot of other players. And I don\'t think he\'s a big of a problem as the offensive line or defense. And I believe if those things are corrected that Brooks will be just fine. In terms of \"problems\" , Brooks is WAY down on my list. Where\'s Brooks\' at on your list?
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02-19-2005, 04:03 PM	#18
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? Who in here said he was going to lead us anywhere without improving? Aren\'t you in this thread supporting Brooks by comparing his stats to other qb\'s? How in the world is this 8-8 team every year over rated by any means? At which position is team over rated in? No one wants to look at the weak areas surrounding Brooks? Are you joking me? The whole forum criticizes every aspect on our team. You aren\'t making any sense. Our defense is the main problem of this team... not AB, well at least not entirely him. One injured year from Deuce and you make it seem as if he\'s injury-prone. One bad year from our line and now it\'s absolutely terrible. Try not to over exaggerate it so bad. I can show you at least 10 teams who are in much worse positions then we are because unlike other teams, we have talent here.
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02-19-2005, 04:09 PM	#19
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? papz -- My comments are in no way directed at you. But, there are folks in here who blame Brooks almost entirely! That\'s the folks I\'m speaking of. Given the fact that there\'s so many Brooks\' threads, it just goes to show you how much of a problem some folks thinks he is. How many \"let\'s fix the defense\" threads do you see in comparison to \"Brooks Sucks\" threads? Staring to see my point? I keep getting told that Brooks is a major problem and that\'s the BIGGEST thing that needs to be corrected. Surly you\'ve read some of the same stuff I have? Oh, our offensive line has sucked at PASS blocking for the last 2 years. And they\'ve sucked at holding and jumping offsides the past 2 years. I\'m not exagerating one-bit. They suck.
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02-19-2005, 04:11 PM	#20
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? I just have to ask this question. If AB is as great as he says he is, why is it that our offense cannot maintain a sustained drive to keep our porous defense off the field? Does this mean it\'s the other 10 players fault?