Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?

papz · 02-19-2005, 04:14 PM

:P

I feel ya. But remember the season before this Deuce ran for over 1300 yards and Brooks had his best year. So it really wasn\'t as bad as you make it seem. Jerry made a big difference and it showed this year when we didn\'t have him.

GumboBC · 02-19-2005, 04:16 PM

I just have to ask this question. If AB is as great as he says he is, why is it that our offense cannot maintain a sustained drive to keep our porous defense off the field? Does this mean it\'s the other 10 players fault?

It means the responsibility (or blame) is shared.

Brooks deserves some blame.
Deuce deserves some blame.
The receivers deserve some blame.
The offensive linemen deserve some blame.
The tightends deserves some blame.

To say AB is the main contributor is a bit unfair, IMO. I don\'t think the play of Brooks outweighs the other 10 guys ... NO.

JKool · 02-19-2005, 04:22 PM

I\'m starting to wonder what I think about tihs whole \"teams with worse defenses made the playoffs\" thing.

First, they barely made the playoffs and their record was the same as ours (or only slightly better).

Second, how many of those teams with terrible defenses played in the Super Bowl. Um, none. Do we just want to make the playoffs or do we want to make a team that can win the SB?

Maybe I\'m off base here, but I was just thinking about it.

Saint_LB · 02-19-2005, 04:45 PM

Given the fact that there\'s so many Brooks\' threads, it just goes to show you how much of a problem some folks thinks he is.

Aren\'t a lot of those threads started by you? If so, what could I conclude after reading the above statement?

GumboBC · 02-19-2005, 04:48 PM

Aren\'t a lot of those threads started by you? If so, what could I conclude after reading the above statement?

I\'ll have you to know that I\'ve never started a thread to bash Brooks.

I start some to correct y\'alls skewed logic. I bring nothing but facts to the table. Well, more facts than most. :P

LKelley67 · 02-19-2005, 04:56 PM

i\'m on my way out for the evening n dont have time to debate but in scanning i didnt see it mentioned that brooks did fumble 13 times last year. i think they have drills now for recovery since he does it so much. therefore they dont lose as many, only 2 lost.
fumbles lost or recovered-
2001- 13
2002- 10
2003- 14
2004- 13
consistent in one aspect of the game anyway

GumboBC · 02-19-2005, 05:11 PM

i\'m on my way out for the evening n dont have time to debate but in scanning i didnt see it mentioned that brooks did fumble 13 times last year. i think they have drills now for recovery since he does it so much. therefore they dont lose as many, only 2 lost.
fumbles lost or recovered-
2001- 13
2002- 10
2003- 14
2004- 13
consistent in one aspect of the game anyway

Watch more than ONE QB, would ya?!

Jake Delhomme
2003 -15
2004 -12

Tom Brady
2001- 12
2002- 7
2003 -13
2004- 7

Brooks needs to cut his fumbles down, but he certainly isn\'t alone....

Daunte Culpepper
2001- 16
2002- 21
2003 -15
2004- 9

papz · 02-19-2005, 05:27 PM

Gonna help you out real quick Gumbo...

\"2003 - KC Chiefs. Defensive rank: 28th. They made the playoffs, no?
How has Indy\'s defense been? Minnesota\'s?\"

Have they made it to a Superbowl? Having a #1 offense and getting booted out the playoffs is good? Obviously Brooks isn\'t as big of a concern as some people make it out to be.

JOESAM2002 · 02-19-2005, 06:55 PM

But he\'s great by his own admission! So why can\'t HE sustain a drive? The guy has talent, no doubt, so what\'s up with all this greatness? Where does it go when the drive stalls? You know what they say about crazy people. It\'s not me that\'s crazy, it\'s all the rest of you!

GumboBC · 02-19-2005, 07:01 PM

So why can\'t HE sustain a drive?

Well...........

In the game of football each team has 11 players on both offense and defense.

The offensive line consists of a C, LT, RT, LG, and RG. Their job is to keep the defenders off of the QB.

There\'s usually a FB and RB in the backfield. Their job is to block and run the football.

A TE is also usually on the field...

.........do I have to keep going????

Come on Joe ... What are you suggesting? Brooks never said he was great enough to get it done by himself. Why are some of you so hung up on what Brooks says?

Brooks thinks he\'s a great QB. And?

[Edited on 20/2/2005 by GumboBC]

02-19-2005, 04:14 PM	#21
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? :P I feel ya. But remember the season before this Deuce ran for over 1300 yards and Brooks had his best year. So it really wasn\'t as bad as you make it seem. Jerry made a big difference and it showed this year when we didn\'t have him.

02-19-2005, 04:16 PM	#22
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? I just have to ask this question. If AB is as great as he says he is, why is it that our offense cannot maintain a sustained drive to keep our porous defense off the field? Does this mean it\'s the other 10 players fault? It means the responsibility (or blame) is shared. Brooks deserves some blame. Deuce deserves some blame. The receivers deserve some blame. The offensive linemen deserve some blame. The tightends deserves some blame. To say AB is the main contributor is a bit unfair, IMO. I don\'t think the play of Brooks outweighs the other 10 guys ... NO.
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02-19-2005, 04:22 PM	#23
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? I\'m starting to wonder what I think about tihs whole \"teams with worse defenses made the playoffs\" thing. First, they barely made the playoffs and their record was the same as ours (or only slightly better). Second, how many of those teams with terrible defenses played in the Super Bowl. Um, none. Do we just want to make the playoffs or do we want to make a team that can win the SB? Maybe I\'m off base here, but I was just thinking about it.

02-19-2005, 04:45 PM	#24
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? Given the fact that there\'s so many Brooks\' threads, it just goes to show you how much of a problem some folks thinks he is. Aren\'t a lot of those threads started by you? If so, what could I conclude after reading the above statement?
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02-19-2005, 04:48 PM	#25
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? Aren\'t a lot of those threads started by you? If so, what could I conclude after reading the above statement? I\'ll have you to know that I\'ve never started a thread to bash Brooks. I start some to correct y\'alls skewed logic. I bring nothing but facts to the table. Well, more facts than most. :P
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02-19-2005, 04:56 PM	#26
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? i\'m on my way out for the evening n dont have time to debate but in scanning i didnt see it mentioned that brooks did fumble 13 times last year. i think they have drills now for recovery since he does it so much. therefore they dont lose as many, only 2 lost. fumbles lost or recovered- 2001- 13 2002- 10 2003- 14 2004- 13 consistent in one aspect of the game anyway

02-19-2005, 05:11 PM	#27
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? i\'m on my way out for the evening n dont have time to debate but in scanning i didnt see it mentioned that brooks did fumble 13 times last year. i think they have drills now for recovery since he does it so much. therefore they dont lose as many, only 2 lost. fumbles lost or recovered- 2001- 13 2002- 10 2003- 14 2004- 13 consistent in one aspect of the game anyway Watch more than ONE QB, would ya?! Jake Delhomme 2003 -15 2004 -12 Tom Brady 2001- 12 2002- 7 2003 -13 2004- 7 Brooks needs to cut his fumbles down, but he certainly isn\'t alone.... Daunte Culpepper 2001- 16 2002- 21 2003 -15 2004- 9
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02-19-2005, 05:27 PM	#28
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? Gonna help you out real quick Gumbo... \"2003 - KC Chiefs. Defensive rank: 28th. They made the playoffs, no? How has Indy\'s defense been? Minnesota\'s?\" Have they made it to a Superbowl? Having a #1 offense and getting booted out the playoffs is good? Obviously Brooks isn\'t as big of a concern as some people make it out to be.

02-19-2005, 06:55 PM	#29
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? But he\'s great by his own admission! So why can\'t HE sustain a drive? The guy has talent, no doubt, so what\'s up with all this greatness? Where does it go when the drive stalls? You know what they say about crazy people. It\'s not me that\'s crazy, it\'s all the rest of you!

02-19-2005, 07:01 PM	#30
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? So why can\'t HE sustain a drive? Well........... In the game of football each team has 11 players on both offense and defense. The offensive line consists of a C, LT, RT, LG, and RG. Their job is to keep the defenders off of the QB. There\'s usually a FB and RB in the backfield. Their job is to block and run the football. A TE is also usually on the field... .........do I have to keep going???? Come on Joe ... What are you suggesting? Brooks never said he was great enough to get it done by himself. Why are some of you so hung up on what Brooks says? Brooks thinks he\'s a great QB. And? [Edited on 20/2/2005 by GumboBC]
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