Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-19-2005, 09:18 PM

But he\'s great by his own admission! So why can\'t HE sustain a drive? The guy has talent, no doubt, so what\'s up with all this greatness? Where does it go when the drive stalls? You know what they say about crazy people. It\'s not me that\'s crazy, it\'s all the rest of you!

JOESAM,

You are on point with this. I don\'t think that Billy really gets your point.

Brooks isn\'t as good as he says he is. He should take a cue from the guys who are in fact better than he is: Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. They go do it on the field, and then are self deprecating to a fault.

Brooks certainly could learn something from them.

SFIAH

JOESAM2002 · 02-19-2005, 09:27 PM

Thank you SF. Seems you can\'t teach and old poster new tricks either.

My point exactly.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-19-2005, 09:30 PM

in the past, i was an avid brooks supporter, but his inconsistency and lack of motivation on the field has not only irritated me and fellow fans alike, but really shown me the character of a guy that most fans, including me from time to time, call \"leon\".... i\'m in the utmost favor of cutting ties with him due to the fact that we\'ve been told one thing about the kid, and he consistently fails to deliver wins.... you have to place some of the culpability on brooks himself,

Some. But not all.

The one point I\'ve been pounding is the fact that when Brooks and the offense gets some decent defensive support, the team wins.

I see it like a really good pitcher whose record is poor due to a lack of run support. \"The guy must be a bum because his record is 6-19.\" But if all 6 wins were when his team gave him 3 runs and the 19 losses are when the team only scored 1 run or less, does that make the guy a bad pitcher because \"he doesn\'t deliver wins?\"

In the last 4 seasons, the 16 ranked team in defensive scoring has given up between 20 to 21 point. The Saints over those 4 years are 20-8 when the team holds the opposition to under 21 points. They win 70 percent of their games when the defense is average.

But our defense isn\'t average. So does that make the offense poor because they don\'t win games when the defense gives up a bunch of points?

although i know that you will vehemently deny the fact that the other parts of the offense are equally to blame.... fact is, they aren\'t... with the exception of brooks, riley, gandy, and boo, the offense rarely plays uninspired....

Can you please put a stat on uninspired?

So it\'s OK for the receivers to put the ball on the carpet if they are \"inspired\"?

Or the false starts and holding penalties because the line is \"inspired\"?

Give me a stat. They are products of inpiration.

SFIAH

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-19-2005, 09:33 PM

What I\'m suggesting is..... that until AB learns to walk on water, he needs to learn to keep his mouth shut. Let he who is without sin...... you know the rest.

Amen on that.

Right now he is no better than average. Yes he has potential, just as almost all the rest of the team does but you don\'t hear anyone else blowing their own horn do you? The only one that does has been to the Pro Bowl quite often lately. There\'s no doubt that AB has talent as I\'ve said but this guy is just to immature. He\'s had time to grow up but he just hasn\'t. He needs to learn to lead by example and not say a word. My Dad always told me\"Never tell anyone what you can do, go out and show them.\" I have lived by that rule all my life. It\'s the quiet ones you have to watch.

He should keep his yap shut. He doesn\'t seem to understand that no matter what the stats are, that the only true measure are wins, playoffs, and championships. And it doesn\'t matter where the deficieny lies on the team, that the wins and losses will be reflected upon you.

Outstanding post JOESAM.

SFIAH

[Edited on 20/2/2005 by SaintFanInATLHELL]

GumboBC · 02-19-2005, 09:59 PM

Should AB shut the hell up? Yep!!

But, I love some of this stuff you guys are saying. Some of you are the most sensetive guys I know.

Yet, Joe Horn can sleep with Willy Roafs wife. Horn can tell the fans to shut the hell up. Horn can blame Haslett\'s lack of success on his teammates. Horn can pull a cell phone out on the field. But, that\'s just ol\' Joe being Joe.

Some of you need to check that saintly attitude...

chRxis · 02-19-2005, 10:23 PM

i don\'t care if the player killed the president, as long as he can come in, do his job, and get us to the playoffs, then great... sfiah, i\'m not understanding your questions.... you are really just proving my point for me and by the way that comment wasn\'t directed to you anyway... but c\'est la vie.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-19-2005, 11:16 PM

i don\'t care if the player killed the president, as long as he can come in, do his job, and get us to the playoffs, then great... sfiah, i\'m not understanding your questions.... you are really just proving my point for me and by the way that comment wasn\'t directed to you anyway... but c\'est la vie.

I know it wasn\'t directed at me. You stated that some players are inspired and others are not. I just want to know how do you objectively measure that?

Also being inspired is a part of the equation above. If a player does his job, and helps the team get to the playoffs, is it then OK not to be inspired?

If a QB can throw TDs and yards, and not give the ball away, then they can be asleep for all I care.

I\'m just trying to get a quantification of \"insipred\".

SFIAH

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-19-2005, 11:18 PM

Should AB shut the hell up? Yep!!

But, I love some of this stuff you guys are saying. Some of you are the most sensetive guys I know.

Yet, Joe Horn can sleep with Willy Roafs wife. Horn can tell the fans to shut the hell up. Horn can blame Haslett\'s lack of success on his teammates. Horn can pull a cell phone out on the field. But, that\'s just ol\' Joe being Joe.

Some of you need to check that saintly attitude...

It\'s apples and gorillas. Joe needs to shut the hell up too.

The key difference also is that Joe isn\'t spouting off that he\'s the best WR in the league and that it\'s not his fault that his teammates can\'t keep up.

SFIAH

GumboBC · 02-19-2005, 11:29 PM

The key difference also is that Joe isn\'t spouting off that he\'s the best WR in the league and that it\'s not his fault that his teammates can\'t keep up.

Joe said that he\'s the best receiver in the NFL. Then he said it wasn\'t Haslett\'s fault for the Saints not making the playoffs. Joe Horn said it was the other players that were responsible for the Saints not succeeding.

Did you not read the article that I posted?

JOESAM2002 · 02-20-2005, 08:21 AM

Joe said that he\'s the best receiver in the NFL. Then he said it wasn\'t Haslett\'s fault for the Saints not making the playoffs. Joe Horn said it was the other players that were responsible for the Saints not succeeding.

Surprise,surprise,surprise, he is one of the best in the league. You like stats, look it up. Secondly, just who was Joe talking about in that statement, I don\'t know, do you? Unless we live in his mind we don\'t. He might have been talking about AB...............or maybe not.

[Edited on 20/2/2005 by JOESAM2002]

02-19-2005, 09:18 PM	#41
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? But he\'s great by his own admission! So why can\'t HE sustain a drive? The guy has talent, no doubt, so what\'s up with all this greatness? Where does it go when the drive stalls? You know what they say about crazy people. It\'s not me that\'s crazy, it\'s all the rest of you! JOESAM, You are on point with this. I don\'t think that Billy really gets your point. Brooks isn\'t as good as he says he is. He should take a cue from the guys who are in fact better than he is: Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. They go do it on the field, and then are self deprecating to a fault. Brooks certainly could learn something from them. SFIAH

02-19-2005, 09:27 PM	#42
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? Thank you SF. Seems you can\'t teach and old poster new tricks either. My point exactly.

02-19-2005, 09:30 PM	#43
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? in the past, i was an avid brooks supporter, but his inconsistency and lack of motivation on the field has not only irritated me and fellow fans alike, but really shown me the character of a guy that most fans, including me from time to time, call \"leon\".... i\'m in the utmost favor of cutting ties with him due to the fact that we\'ve been told one thing about the kid, and he consistently fails to deliver wins.... you have to place some of the culpability on brooks himself, Some. But not all. The one point I\'ve been pounding is the fact that when Brooks and the offense gets some decent defensive support, the team wins. I see it like a really good pitcher whose record is poor due to a lack of run support. \"The guy must be a bum because his record is 6-19.\" But if all 6 wins were when his team gave him 3 runs and the 19 losses are when the team only scored 1 run or less, does that make the guy a bad pitcher because \"he doesn\'t deliver wins?\" In the last 4 seasons, the 16 ranked team in defensive scoring has given up between 20 to 21 point. The Saints over those 4 years are 20-8 when the team holds the opposition to under 21 points. They win 70 percent of their games when the defense is average. But our defense isn\'t average. So does that make the offense poor because they don\'t win games when the defense gives up a bunch of points? although i know that you will vehemently deny the fact that the other parts of the offense are equally to blame.... fact is, they aren\'t... with the exception of brooks, riley, gandy, and boo, the offense rarely plays uninspired.... Can you please put a stat on uninspired? So it\'s OK for the receivers to put the ball on the carpet if they are \"inspired\"? Or the false starts and holding penalties because the line is \"inspired\"? Give me a stat. They are products of inpiration. SFIAH
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02-19-2005, 09:33 PM	#44
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? What I\'m suggesting is..... that until AB learns to walk on water, he needs to learn to keep his mouth shut. Let he who is without sin...... you know the rest. Amen on that. Right now he is no better than average. Yes he has potential, just as almost all the rest of the team does but you don\'t hear anyone else blowing their own horn do you? The only one that does has been to the Pro Bowl quite often lately. There\'s no doubt that AB has talent as I\'ve said but this guy is just to immature. He\'s had time to grow up but he just hasn\'t. He needs to learn to lead by example and not say a word. My Dad always told me\"Never tell anyone what you can do, go out and show them.\" I have lived by that rule all my life. It\'s the quiet ones you have to watch. He should keep his yap shut. He doesn\'t seem to understand that no matter what the stats are, that the only true measure are wins, playoffs, and championships. And it doesn\'t matter where the deficieny lies on the team, that the wins and losses will be reflected upon you. Outstanding post JOESAM. SFIAH [Edited on 20/2/2005 by SaintFanInATLHELL]

02-19-2005, 09:59 PM	#45
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? Should AB shut the hell up? Yep!! But, I love some of this stuff you guys are saying. Some of you are the most sensetive guys I know. Yet, Joe Horn can sleep with Willy Roafs wife. Horn can tell the fans to shut the hell up. Horn can blame Haslett\'s lack of success on his teammates. Horn can pull a cell phone out on the field. But, that\'s just ol\' Joe being Joe. Some of you need to check that saintly attitude...
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02-19-2005, 10:23 PM	#46
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? i don\'t care if the player killed the president, as long as he can come in, do his job, and get us to the playoffs, then great... sfiah, i\'m not understanding your questions.... you are really just proving my point for me and by the way that comment wasn\'t directed to you anyway... but c\'est la vie.

02-19-2005, 11:16 PM	#47
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? i don\'t care if the player killed the president, as long as he can come in, do his job, and get us to the playoffs, then great... sfiah, i\'m not understanding your questions.... you are really just proving my point for me and by the way that comment wasn\'t directed to you anyway... but c\'est la vie. I know it wasn\'t directed at me. You stated that some players are inspired and others are not. I just want to know how do you objectively measure that? Also being inspired is a part of the equation above. If a player does his job, and helps the team get to the playoffs, is it then OK not to be inspired? If a QB can throw TDs and yards, and not give the ball away, then they can be asleep for all I care. I\'m just trying to get a quantification of \"insipred\". SFIAH

02-19-2005, 11:18 PM	#48
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? Should AB shut the hell up? Yep!! But, I love some of this stuff you guys are saying. Some of you are the most sensetive guys I know. Yet, Joe Horn can sleep with Willy Roafs wife. Horn can tell the fans to shut the hell up. Horn can blame Haslett\'s lack of success on his teammates. Horn can pull a cell phone out on the field. But, that\'s just ol\' Joe being Joe. Some of you need to check that saintly attitude... It\'s apples and gorillas. Joe needs to shut the hell up too. The key difference also is that Joe isn\'t spouting off that he\'s the best WR in the league and that it\'s not his fault that his teammates can\'t keep up. SFIAH

02-19-2005, 11:29 PM	#49
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? The key difference also is that Joe isn\'t spouting off that he\'s the best WR in the league and that it\'s not his fault that his teammates can\'t keep up. Joe said that he\'s the best receiver in the NFL. Then he said it wasn\'t Haslett\'s fault for the Saints not making the playoffs. Joe Horn said it was the other players that were responsible for the Saints not succeeding. Did you not read the article that I posted?
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02-20-2005, 08:21 AM	#50
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up? Joe said that he\'s the best receiver in the NFL. Then he said it wasn\'t Haslett\'s fault for the Saints not making the playoffs. Joe Horn said it was the other players that were responsible for the Saints not succeeding. Surprise,surprise,surprise, he is one of the best in the league. You like stats, look it up. Secondly, just who was Joe talking about in that statement, I don\'t know, do you? Unless we live in his mind we don\'t. He might have been talking about AB...............or maybe not. [Edited on 20/2/2005 by JOESAM2002]