Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident

04-14-2016, 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Will Smith's wife Racquel was shot first, family attorney says

Witness saw Will Smith in possession of gun, Cardell Hayes' attorney says

I saw his press conference too. I don't believe a word he says only because of my experience with defense attorneys.

jeanpierre · 04-14-2016, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Good luck finding an unbiased jury...

That's not the point...

The Orleans Parish Legal System is inept, depraved and corrupt; with surging murder statistics, there should be a higher capital murder, murder one, conviction rate and yet the OPLS is among the worst in the nation; and so murderers go unchecked, experienced for their next vileness making building cases for conviction even less likely...

|Mitch| · 04-14-2016, 02:05 PM

SloMotion · 04-14-2016, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

That's not the point...

The Orleans Parish Legal System is inept, depraved and corrupt; with surging murder statistics, there should be a higher capital murder, murder one, conviction rate and yet the OPLS is among the worst in the nation; and so murderers go unchecked, experienced for their next vileness making building cases for conviction even less likely...

I saw this story a couple days before this shooting happened and wonder if a lack of state appointed defense attorneys led to the 2nd degree murder charge vs 1st degree ... http://www.theneworleansadvocate.com...to-defend-them ... it seemed like they could hold a suspect longer under 2nd degree without appointing a state attorney vs 1st degree, #shrug.

WhoDat!656 · 04-14-2016, 10:36 PM

Louisiana “stand your ground” law looms over Will Smith killing | ProFootballTalk

nola_swammi · 04-15-2016, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Louisiana “stand your ground” law looms over Will Smith killing | ProFootballTalk

That law need to be done away with. That law is giving individuals the right to be the judge, jury, and executioner. Don't think that once it get to jury they will look at this action as overkill and throw the book at individual, in most cases a person with high incomes or white killing black will have the case thrown out before it ever see a jury because of "stand your ground". Anytime someone take a person life it should be mandatory that it go to trial if the defendant proclaims self defense. The only acception to the stand your ground law should be if you defending your home.

jeanpierre · 04-15-2016, 07:01 AM

Again, it's not stand your ground when Cardell Hayes chased him down (video evidence) and then executed him...

And those laws are necessary; and don't think they don't weigh on the minds of career street thugs...

My concern is an Orleans Parish Legal System that often gets it wrong...

The Dude · 04-15-2016, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

That law need to be done away with. That law is giving individuals the right to be the judge, jury, and executioner. Don't think that once it get to jury they will look at this action as overkill and throw the book at individual, in most cases a person with high incomes or white killing black will have the case thrown out before it ever see a jury because of "stand your ground". Anytime someone take a person life it should be mandatory that it go to trial if the defendant proclaims self defense. The only acception to the stand your ground law should be if you defending your home.

It's not the law that's a problem. The problem is when people don't understand what the law says but try and use it anyway.

The Dude · 04-15-2016, 01:08 PM

And just because you have the right to defend yourself with a firearm doesn't mean it's morally right or even the smart thing to do. Your first option should be fleeing, if you can. A firearm is the last resort when you have no other choice. If you take a life, even in self defense it will change your life forever.
Hayes could have easily stayed in his car when he went back for his gun. If he had we wouldn't be having this discussion.

WhoDat!656 · 04-15-2016, 06:46 PM

Can you imagine the hand wringing if Smith had been killed with an 'assault-style' weapon?

04-14-2016, 05:07 AM	#231
Threaded by spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by SmashMouth Will Smith's wife Racquel was shot first, family attorney says Witness saw Will Smith in possession of gun, Cardell Hayes' attorney says I saw his press conference too. I don't believe a word he says only because of my experience with defense attorneys.
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04-14-2016, 09:30 AM	#232
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Good luck finding an unbiased jury... That's not the point... The Orleans Parish Legal System is inept, depraved and corrupt; with surging murder statistics, there should be a higher capital murder, murder one, conviction rate and yet the OPLS is among the worst in the nation; and so murderers go unchecked, experienced for their next vileness making building cases for conviction even less likely... The Dude likes this.
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04-14-2016, 03:23 PM	#234
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by jeanpierre That's not the point... The Orleans Parish Legal System is inept, depraved and corrupt; with surging murder statistics, there should be a higher capital murder, murder one, conviction rate and yet the OPLS is among the worst in the nation; and so murderers go unchecked, experienced for their next vileness making building cases for conviction even less likely... I saw this story a couple days before this shooting happened and wonder if a lack of state appointed defense attorneys led to the 2nd degree murder charge vs 1st degree ... http://www.theneworleansadvocate.com...to-defend-them ... it seemed like they could hold a suspect longer under 2nd degree without appointing a state attorney vs 1st degree, #shrug.

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04-15-2016, 03:50 AM	#236
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Louisiana “stand your ground” law looms over Will Smith killing \| ProFootballTalk That law need to be done away with. That law is giving individuals the right to be the judge, jury, and executioner. Don't think that once it get to jury they will look at this action as overkill and throw the book at individual, in most cases a person with high incomes or white killing black will have the case thrown out before it ever see a jury because of "stand your ground". Anytime someone take a person life it should be mandatory that it go to trial if the defendant proclaims self defense. The only acception to the stand your ground law should be if you defending your home.

04-15-2016, 07:01 AM	#237
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Again, it's not stand your ground when Cardell Hayes chased him down (video evidence) and then executed him... And those laws are necessary; and don't think they don't weigh on the minds of career street thugs... My concern is an Orleans Parish Legal System that often gets it wrong...

04-15-2016, 10:02 AM	#238
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by nola_swammi That law need to be done away with. That law is giving individuals the right to be the judge, jury, and executioner. Don't think that once it get to jury they will look at this action as overkill and throw the book at individual, in most cases a person with high incomes or white killing black will have the case thrown out before it ever see a jury because of "stand your ground". Anytime someone take a person life it should be mandatory that it go to trial if the defendant proclaims self defense. The only acception to the stand your ground law should be if you defending your home. It's not the law that's a problem. The problem is when people don't understand what the law says but try and use it anyway. SloMotion likes this.
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident And just because you have the right to defend yourself with a firearm doesn't mean it's morally right or even the smart thing to do. Your first option should be fleeing, if you can. A firearm is the last resort when you have no other choice. If you take a life, even in self defense it will change your life forever. Hayes could have easily stayed in his car when he went back for his gun. If he had we wouldn't be having this discussion. SloMotion likes this.
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WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,062	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Can you imagine the hand wringing if Smith had been killed with an 'assault-style' weapon? The Dude likes this.

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