Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident

04-12-2016, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Will Smith was not in his car, he was walking toward his car I assume since he was shot in the back and side. Yes, he died in his car after being shot outside the car I assume. I am waiting to see all the facts. By will smith claiming to get his gun and have a loaded gun in his car can be perceive as a threat. If Hayes got out his car with his gun and approached will smith then you absolutely correct stand your ground will not apply

In the United States, a stand-your-ground law (sometimes called "line in the sand" or "no duty to retreat" law) is a law that authorizes an individual to protect and defend their own life and limb against threat or perceived threat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

im well aware of the gun laws here in Louisiana. Unlike you who makes an assumption and posts that "carrying a loaded gun is illegal"

And Wikipedia is NOT an accurate site. Anyone can add to it. Again another example of people not knowing how to obtain factual information. Guns are serious and in the wrong, uneducated hands can easily take a life. One of the most important part of safety is being educated. We wouldn't need more gun laws if people would take the time to know the laws that already exist.

SmashMouth · 04-13-2016, 09:16 AM

Cordell's passenger says his life was saved that evening

|Mitch| · 04-13-2016, 10:37 AM

Will Smith Super Bowl Season Highlights (2009) \| NFL - YouTube

Crusader · 04-13-2016, 10:40 AM

Fully loaded handgun found in Will Smith's vehicle, but no evidence weapon was fired, police say

SmashMouth · 04-13-2016, 12:47 PM

Lawyer for Cardell Hayes’ passenger calls killing of Will Smith “justifiable homicide” | ProFootballTalk

NonieT · 04-13-2016, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Lawyer for Cardell Hayes’ passenger calls killing of Will Smith “justifiable homicide” | ProFootballTalk

Nothing justified about being shot 8 times.

The Dude · 04-13-2016, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

Nothing justified about being shot 8 times.

If you are shooting in self defense you don't just shoot once and stop to see if it stopped the aggressor or not. If you are shooting in self defense you continue to pull the trigger until the threat is over or you are out of ammo and then stop. It's not like he had to take the time to reload and then shoot again.

That being said I don't see the self defense excuse will hold water. He went back to his car to get his gun and then reapproached Smith. If a smart person walks up to someone's car and that person says he had a gun the smart person will retreat. Only someone who wants to prove that he is a bad ass would go back to their car to get a gun and reengage the person.

jeanpierre · 04-13-2016, 03:39 PM

Two shots, eight shots, can be understood in a stressful situation...

Again, refer to earlier post...

Cardell Hayes followed Will Smith down before running into the back of him and summarily executing him...

That is not justifiable, that is Murder two...

Have they written the taxpayer check yet for that BS settlement?!? May want to delay that check...

nola_swammi · 04-13-2016, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

im well aware of the gun laws here in Louisiana. Unlike you who makes an assumption and posts that "carrying a loaded gun is illegal"

And Wikipedia is NOT an accurate site. Anyone can add to it. Again another example of people not knowing how to obtain factual information. Guns are serious and in the wrong, uneducated hands can easily take a life. One of the most important part of safety is being educated. We wouldn't need more gun laws if people would take the time to know the laws that already exist.

Dude, I am just trying to enlighten you on what I discovered about stand your ground law, I am not a lawyer, or your librarian to find out the facts about the law, if you have any FACTS to refute what I am saying please post a link, I have no problem putting up links even if I find out what I am saying is wrong. I am trying to stop going on and on about the subject cause how sensitive this subject is. I DON'T LIKE THE STAND YOUR GROUND LAW since it does seem to biased. I wasn't going to reply til you edited your post about Wikipedia.

hagan714 · 04-13-2016, 04:53 PM

Ok so the guy who wins millions says it is self defense and his buddy says the same thing, big surprise there. They knew cameras were all over the area so they played it smart. Old game been done 1000 times before.

now for the other side of the story

Family attorney: Smith was protecting wife when shot

Before former Saints star Will Smith was shot and killed Saturday night, Smith's wife, Racquel, was shot once in each leg, according to the family's attorney, Peter Thomson.

Family attorney: Smith was protecting wife when shot - NFL.com

04-12-2016, 11:41 PM	#211
Threaded by The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by nola_swammi Will Smith was not in his car, he was walking toward his car I assume since he was shot in the back and side. Yes, he died in his car after being shot outside the car I assume. I am waiting to see all the facts. By will smith claiming to get his gun and have a loaded gun in his car can be perceive as a threat. If Hayes got out his car with his gun and approached will smith then you absolutely correct stand your ground will not apply In the United States, a stand-your-ground law (sometimes called "line in the sand" or "no duty to retreat" law) is a law that authorizes an individual to protect and defend their own life and limb against threat or perceived threat. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law im well aware of the gun laws here in Louisiana. Unlike you who makes an assumption and posts that "carrying a loaded gun is illegal" And Wikipedia is NOT an accurate site. Anyone can add to it. Again another example of people not knowing how to obtain factual information. Guns are serious and in the wrong, uneducated hands can easily take a life. One of the most important part of safety is being educated. We wouldn't need more gun laws if people would take the time to know the laws that already exist. Last edited by The Dude; 04-13-2016 at 04:11 PM..
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04-13-2016, 09:16 AM	#212
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Cordell's passenger says his life was saved that evening

04-13-2016, 10:40 AM	#214
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Fully loaded handgun found in Will Smith's vehicle, but no evidence weapon was fired, police say

04-13-2016, 12:47 PM	#215
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Lawyer for Cardell Hayes’ passenger calls killing of Will Smith “justifiable homicide” \| ProFootballTalk

04-13-2016, 01:36 PM	#216
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by SmashMouth Lawyer for Cardell Hayes’ passenger calls killing of Will Smith “justifiable homicide” \| ProFootballTalk Nothing justified about being shot 8 times.
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04-13-2016, 03:16 PM	#217
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by NonieT Nothing justified about being shot 8 times. If you are shooting in self defense you don't just shoot once and stop to see if it stopped the aggressor or not. If you are shooting in self defense you continue to pull the trigger until the threat is over or you are out of ammo and then stop. It's not like he had to take the time to reload and then shoot again. That being said I don't see the self defense excuse will hold water. He went back to his car to get his gun and then reapproached Smith. If a smart person walks up to someone's car and that person says he had a gun the smart person will retreat. Only someone who wants to prove that he is a bad ass would go back to their car to get a gun and reengage the person. spkb25 likes this.
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04-13-2016, 03:39 PM	#218
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Two shots, eight shots, can be understood in a stressful situation... Again, refer to earlier post... Cardell Hayes followed Will Smith down before running into the back of him and summarily executing him... That is not justifiable, that is Murder two... Have they written the taxpayer check yet for that BS settlement?!? May want to delay that check... The Dude likes this.

04-13-2016, 04:39 PM	#219
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by The Dude im well aware of the gun laws here in Louisiana. Unlike you who makes an assumption and posts that "carrying a loaded gun is illegal" And Wikipedia is NOT an accurate site. Anyone can add to it. Again another example of people not knowing how to obtain factual information. Guns are serious and in the wrong, uneducated hands can easily take a life. One of the most important part of safety is being educated. We wouldn't need more gun laws if people would take the time to know the laws that already exist. Dude, I am just trying to enlighten you on what I discovered about stand your ground law, I am not a lawyer, or your librarian to find out the facts about the law, if you have any FACTS to refute what I am saying please post a link, I have no problem putting up links even if I find out what I am saying is wrong. I am trying to stop going on and on about the subject cause how sensitive this subject is. I DON'T LIKE THE STAND YOUR GROUND LAW since it does seem to biased. I wasn't going to reply til you edited your post about Wikipedia.

04-13-2016, 04:53 PM	#220
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Ok so the guy who wins millions says it is self defense and his buddy says the same thing, big surprise there. They knew cameras were all over the area so they played it smart. Old game been done 1000 times before. now for the other side of the story Family attorney: Smith was protecting wife when shot Before former Saints star Will Smith was shot and killed Saturday night, Smith's wife, Racquel, was shot once in each leg, according to the family's attorney, Peter Thomson. Family attorney: Smith was protecting wife when shot - NFL.com jnormand likes this.

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