Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident

04-12-2016, 08:34 PM

At the end of it all, Cardell Hayes PURSUED Smith and then shot Will Smith...and that should get him convicted of Murder Two...

burningmetal · 04-12-2016, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

"History", "past" - you're stuck on semantics and I think everyone else here gets the point that I was making.

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What? I didn't even use the word "past". Semantics have nothing to do with it. I wasn't concerned with the word "history". I'm saying there is no history between Smith and Hayes. There is only history between Hayes and Ceravolo. I get the motivation (though it would be an unjust motivation) that Hayes might have had to attack Smith, but there is no reason why Smith would really know who Hayes was, especially before the actual altercation.

You said with the history between the two, you think Smith knew it was Hayes when the hit and run happened (the weakest looking hit and run I've ever seen) but I'm just wondering what history there is.

The Dude · 04-12-2016, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

What? I didn't even use the word "past". Semantics have nothing to do with it. I wasn't concerned with the word "history". I'm saying there is no history between Smith and Hayes. There is only history between Hayes and Ceravolo. I get the motivation (though it would be an unjust motivation) that Hayes might have had to attack Smith, but there is no reason why Smith would really know who Hayes was, especially before the actual altercation.

You said with the history between the two, you think Smith knew it was Hayes when the hit and run happened (the weakest looking hit and run I've ever seen) but I'm just wondering what history there is.

I know what you are saying. I think the confusion comes from media reports put out soon after the crime. The media claws for any connection it can to make an incident more interesting to the public. There were reports even from WWL that the two were acquaintances. One report said they were drafted together. They obviously reported some info that was speculation rather than fact. It will be a week or so before the dust settles and we know what really happened. It's sad none the less.

OldMaid · 04-12-2016, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by OldMaid View Post
["Don't know if this ahs been posted. Ahhhh, social media where the story gets to the bottom before the police and media.

Seems to me. Premeditated murder. Revenge killing."]

See page 10.

Originally Posted by The Dude

The fact is that we dont know all the facts. Who knows what really went down. im sure it will come out eventually but until then all we know is that Will Smiths life was tragically cut short.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/former-cop...opstories.html

Well, now here it is from a legit media source and not the net. I am knocking you. You are, were right. I was just posting, had posted a link from a gossip site on the net that called this.

The Dude · 04-12-2016, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

It's the threat that he was going to shoot Hayes and will smith having a loaded gun in his vehicle that will set this guy free. "Stand your ground law"

You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. People this is why you can never take to heart anything you read on forums like these concerning gun laws. It is your responsibility to know the law and you need to get it from a reputable site, not just what some dude heard.

The"stand your ground law" likely doesn't apply here. Will was inside of his own car which is an extension of your home in Louisiana. The fact that Hayes approached Smith while he was in his car and then turned around to go get his gun throws out stand your ground.

There are other scenarios where it could be ruled as self defense but most judges would throw out the Stand your ground argument in this case.

And you can absolutely open carry in Loisiana

The Dude · 04-12-2016, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Negative; You can't go looking for a fight and then shoot someone and claim stand your ground. That's like someone threatening you, but leaves the area. You go kill them and claim self defense, doesn't work that way...

Now if Will would have hit him and jumped out with a gun in his possession, then you have the right to "stand your ground"

100% correct. In the scenario above is revenge not self defense.

OldMaid · 04-12-2016, 09:46 PM

[See page 9.

Seems like premeditated murder to me.

Hayes, like the rest of N.O's criminals, no doubt thinks he will get off and out of this. Really, the justice system etc. is a revolving door.

Only thing, being that he killed this guy, THIS GUY, along with the media a spotlight coming, the crooked judges except for Canizarro and a few others, ,and justice and revolving door of prison will have to put him away. Why? Bad N.O. publicity. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ the only thing that gets attention in our city.
Tourists will say "Well, why go there if they kill a Saints player. " "Oh we will move our convention dollars to , to, Atlanta , Houston, Dallas, etc."

neugey · 04-12-2016, 10:36 PM

I saw earlier today Pierre Thomas posted an update on his Facebook. I would link/copy here but I'm on my work computer and firewall cuts off social media.

Can't get out of my head that Will Smith was pretty much the only player that both endured the Katrina season and won the Super Bowl. That is pretty special in my book. Man this sucks. And I can't imagine what Will's family is going through.

The Dude · 04-12-2016, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

I saw earlier today Pierre Thomas posted an update on his Facebook. I would link/copy here but I'm on my work computer and firewall cuts off social media.

Can't get out of my head that Will Smith was pretty much the only player that both endured the Katrina season and won the Super Bowl. That is pretty special in my book. Man this sucks. And I can't imagine what Will's family is going through.

I imagine its pretty rough for them

nola_swammi · 04-12-2016, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. People this is why you can never take to heart anything you read on forums like these concerning gun laws. It is your responsibility to know the law and you need to get it from a reputable site, not just what some dude heard.

The"stand your ground law" likely doesn't apply here. Will was inside of his own car which is an extension of your home in Louisiana. The fact that Hayes approached Smith while he was in his car and then turned around to go get his gun throws out stand your ground.

There are other scenarios where it could be ruled as self defense but most judges would throw out the Stand your ground argument in this case.

And you can absolutely open carry in Loisiana

Will Smith was not in his car, he was walking toward his car I assume since he was shot in the back and side. Yes, he died in his car after being shot outside the car I assume. I am waiting to see all the facts. By will smith claiming to get his gun and have a loaded gun in his car can be perceive as a threat. If Hayes got out his car with his gun and approached will smith then you absolutely correct stand your ground will not apply

In the United States, a stand-your-ground law (sometimes called "line in the sand" or "no duty to retreat" law) is a law that authorizes an individual to protect and defend their own life and limb against threat or perceived threat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

04-12-2016, 08:34 PM	#201
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04-12-2016, 08:49 PM	#202
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by 44Champs "History", "past" - you're stuck on semantics and I think everyone else here gets the point that I was making. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk What? I didn't even use the word "past". Semantics have nothing to do with it. I wasn't concerned with the word "history". I'm saying there is no history between Smith and Hayes. There is only history between Hayes and Ceravolo. I get the motivation (though it would be an unjust motivation) that Hayes might have had to attack Smith, but there is no reason why Smith would really know who Hayes was, especially before the actual altercation. You said with the history between the two, you think Smith knew it was Hayes when the hit and run happened (the weakest looking hit and run I've ever seen) but I'm just wondering what history there is.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

04-12-2016, 09:31 PM	#203
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by burningmetal What? I didn't even use the word "past". Semantics have nothing to do with it. I wasn't concerned with the word "history". I'm saying there is no history between Smith and Hayes. There is only history between Hayes and Ceravolo. I get the motivation (though it would be an unjust motivation) that Hayes might have had to attack Smith, but there is no reason why Smith would really know who Hayes was, especially before the actual altercation. You said with the history between the two, you think Smith knew it was Hayes when the hit and run happened (the weakest looking hit and run I've ever seen) but I'm just wondering what history there is. I know what you are saying. I think the confusion comes from media reports put out soon after the crime. The media claws for any connection it can to make an incident more interesting to the public. There were reports even from WWL that the two were acquaintances. One report said they were drafted together. They obviously reported some info that was speculation rather than fact. It will be a week or so before the dust settles and we know what really happened. It's sad none the less. SloMotion likes this.
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04-12-2016, 09:35 PM	#204
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,912 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by OldMaid View Post ["Don't know if this ahs been posted. Ahhhh, social media where the story gets to the bottom before the police and media. Seems to me. Premeditated murder. Revenge killing."] See page 10. Originally Posted by The Dude The fact is that we dont know all the facts. Who knows what really went down. im sure it will come out eventually but until then all we know is that Will Smiths life was tragically cut short. https://www.yahoo.com/gma/former-cop...opstories.html Well, now here it is from a legit media source and not the net. I am knocking you. You are, were right. I was just posting, had posted a link from a gossip site on the net that called this.

04-12-2016, 09:42 PM	#205
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by nola_swammi It's the threat that he was going to shoot Hayes and will smith having a loaded gun in his vehicle that will set this guy free. "Stand your ground law" You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. People this is why you can never take to heart anything you read on forums like these concerning gun laws. It is your responsibility to know the law and you need to get it from a reputable site, not just what some dude heard. The"stand your ground law" likely doesn't apply here. Will was inside of his own car which is an extension of your home in Louisiana. The fact that Hayes approached Smith while he was in his car and then turned around to go get his gun throws out stand your ground. There are other scenarios where it could be ruled as self defense but most judges would throw out the Stand your ground argument in this case. And you can absolutely open carry in Loisiana OldMaid and SloMotion like this.
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04-12-2016, 09:44 PM	#206
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Negative; You can't go looking for a fight and then shoot someone and claim stand your ground. That's like someone threatening you, but leaves the area. You go kill them and claim self defense, doesn't work that way... Now if Will would have hit him and jumped out with a gun in his possession, then you have the right to "stand your ground" 100% correct. In the scenario above is revenge not self defense.
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04-12-2016, 09:46 PM	#207
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,912 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident [See page 9. Seems like premeditated murder to me. Hayes, like the rest of N.O's criminals, no doubt thinks he will get off and out of this. Really, the justice system etc. is a revolving door. Only thing, being that he killed this guy, THIS GUY, along with the media a spotlight coming, the crooked judges except for Canizarro and a few others, ,and justice and revolving door of prison will have to put him away. Why? Bad N.O. publicity. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ the only thing that gets attention in our city. Tourists will say "Well, why go there if they kill a Saints player. " "Oh we will move our convention dollars to , to, Atlanta , Houston, Dallas, etc."

04-12-2016, 10:36 PM	#208
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,725 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident I saw earlier today Pierre Thomas posted an update on his Facebook. I would link/copy here but I'm on my work computer and firewall cuts off social media. Can't get out of my head that Will Smith was pretty much the only player that both endured the Katrina season and won the Super Bowl. That is pretty special in my book. Man this sucks. And I can't imagine what Will's family is going through. jeanpierre likes this.

04-12-2016, 10:40 PM	#209
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by neugey I saw earlier today Pierre Thomas posted an update on his Facebook. I would link/copy here but I'm on my work computer and firewall cuts off social media. Can't get out of my head that Will Smith was pretty much the only player that both endured the Katrina season and won the Super Bowl. That is pretty special in my book. Man this sucks. And I can't imagine what Will's family is going through. I imagine its pretty rough for them
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04-12-2016, 11:09 PM	#210
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by The Dude You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. People this is why you can never take to heart anything you read on forums like these concerning gun laws. It is your responsibility to know the law and you need to get it from a reputable site, not just what some dude heard. The"stand your ground law" likely doesn't apply here. Will was inside of his own car which is an extension of your home in Louisiana. The fact that Hayes approached Smith while he was in his car and then turned around to go get his gun throws out stand your ground. There are other scenarios where it could be ruled as self defense but most judges would throw out the Stand your ground argument in this case. And you can absolutely open carry in Loisiana Will Smith was not in his car, he was walking toward his car I assume since he was shot in the back and side. Yes, he died in his car after being shot outside the car I assume. I am waiting to see all the facts. By will smith claiming to get his gun and have a loaded gun in his car can be perceive as a threat. If Hayes got out his car with his gun and approached will smith then you absolutely correct stand your ground will not apply In the United States, a stand-your-ground law (sometimes called "line in the sand" or "no duty to retreat" law) is a law that authorizes an individual to protect and defend their own life and limb against threat or perceived threat. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

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