Underwhelmed

hagan714 · 05-02-2016, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Can you not consider that you are wrong and the front office may know what they are doing?

Every year that I slam a pick I put a crow in the freezer and have no issues in eating it with a great big smile. Sad part is I have enough crow in their to feed an army.

I want to be wrong trust me and i will take all the verbal abuse that comes along with it. Like I said I will be smiling the entire time because it would probably mean my saints are winning.

So far. i have eaten far less than I really want too.

So do not hold back when the crow is ready to be served.

I can take it like a man

I just finished my blog on the draft review so it is time to accept, move on, sit back and see how this all unfolds. Making sure I have enough condiments just encase.

CharityMike · 05-02-2016, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

spkb25 "I am not sold on Rankins"

I am not either. I do not see our 12th pick of the NFL draft as a corner stone in which to rebuild with. Even if this works out he appears to be window dressing. That key cog element I just do not see in Rankings. He will always need the players around him to set the tone so he can feed of it them. A tone setter I do not see. Reed i viewed as a corner stone. He does not need players around him to help his play. Rankings appears to be the type of player you pick to finish off a rebuild with. We needed a corner stone at DT, So the saints go into the 2016 NFL season without that key element. Making the Williams pick hard for me because Reed was still there. Sheldon and Reed together would have left us short one starting DE. Another position we did nothing to address. I wont go about that second 2nd round pick. cost was way to high for a player like him. just like throwing money around in free agency the saints are now doing the same thing with picks. scary trend when you can not win the division much less make the playoffs.

Last years picks I saw a honest chance of players being the corner stones of a rebuilding of the saints defense.

I do not see that in this draft.

You are entitled to your opinion and I usually enjoy your take on things but I think your opinion on Rankins reeks of more butt hurt than facts. If he needs so much help around him, as you say, then explain why he destroyed everyone in the senior bowl. I get that you wanted Reed but your obsession with him is keeping you from even giving Rankins a chance. Everyone else in the football world says it was a good pick.

hagan714 · 05-02-2016, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

You are entitled to your opinion and I usually enjoy your take on things but I think your opinion on Rankins reeks of more butt hurt than facts. If he needs so much help around him, as you say, then explain why he destroyed everyone in the senior bowl. I get that you wanted Reed but your obsession with him is keeping you from even giving Rankins a chance. Everyone else in the football world says it was a good pick.

No if I am hurt by the Rankins selection the player that would be is Laremy Tunsil who dropped into our laps and in my wildest dreams I never saw that coming. Reed was not even on my mind at that point.

Rankings claim to fame and the reason he sky rocketed up the board was his play at the senior bowl as you pointed out. In a season were the interior OL was good I would have given that the merit it deserved. But given this was one of the thinnest drafts for starting OG/OC in a few years I could not go this route. I had to keep him were the season ended. rated as a round 1/2 type of player because of the players he faced at the senior bowl.

He has talent there is no denying it. But good OL had success neutralizing him. So there is my contention to him and a supporting cast.

If Reed is my emotional issue, as you have justly pointed out, go to round two which he was another gift from the football gods that dropped into our laps. Thats the round were emotions really kicked in.

Jarran Reed was the pick to make the entire Rankins pick work for me. Now pair the two together and I would have been happier than a pig in **** .To get those two at the end of round two would have been a steal. That would have changed the entire DT situation for the saints and did wonders for my out look at what the saints were doing at DT. Sure by my standards is as backwards as you can get but as long as you end up there who cares. That is a match made in heaven

So he rates as a player I will sit back and watch and hope to be wrong about. Funny enough as it is the players around him will be under the microscope for me more than him.

Sheldon Rankins will be competing with the ghost of Laremy Tunsilwill

Michael Thomas will be competing with the ghost of Jarran Reed

Ghost crowd my fragile egg shell mind.

So the season has started and it is time to grease the band wagon.

Utah_Saint · 05-02-2016, 10:59 AM

If you're a believer in advanced metrics, then you'll be happy with the grade PFF gave the Saints draft.

B+. Only 2 teams in the NFC graded higher.

And as an added bonus, the Falcons got the lowest grade in the NFL with a D-.

Makes me happy.

K Major · 05-02-2016, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

If you're a believer in advanced metrics, then you'll be happy with the grade PFF gave the Saints draft.

B+. Only 2 teams in the NFC graded higher.

Let me guess .. the Cowgirls is one of them?

Utah_Saint · 05-02-2016, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Let me guess .. the Cowgirls is one of them?

The little boys got a B-.

SapperSaint · 05-02-2016, 01:32 PM

can someone come up with a "MoneyBall" formula to help us find talent?

Seer1 · 05-02-2016, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

can someone come up with a "MoneyBall" formula to help us find talent?

The Browns grabbed him first...

st thomas · 05-02-2016, 03:26 PM

It's so darn easy to rip the front offices and coaches that all they do yearly is study tape after tape to draft what they think is the team need or just the BPA and any gambler will be right 80% of the time if they take the field in the NFL game so to speak. That 20% left will still have big odds at cutting into a lineup . So to come in here and moan and groan on the draft picks they got will not be a Ricky Jackson is pretty easy to be correct, but is kinda copping out on our picks, just be cool and let's see what we have, let's listen to the scopes of coaches and even some of our BnG members who can attend mini camps and open practices it's okay to voice your opinions but you have to take the smack from us who don't like to hear the attitudes who don't agree. Okay let me have it

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burningmetal · 05-02-2016, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by st thomas

It's so darn easy to rip the front offices and coaches that all they do yearly is study tape after tape to draft what they think is the team need or just the BPA and any gambler will be right 80% of the time if they take the field in the NFL game so to speak. That 20% left will still have big odds at cutting into a lineup . So to come in here and moan and groan on the draft picks they got will not be a Ricky Jackson is pretty easy to be correct, but is kinda copping out on our picks, just be cool and let's see what we have, let's listen to the scopes of coaches and even some of our BnG members who can attend mini camps and open practices it's okay to voice your opinions but you have to take the smack from us who don't like to hear the attitudes who don't agree. Okay let me have it.

Bro, you are more than entitled to your opinion. Everyone has one. Nobody is getting hurt by voicing (or typing) an opinion. Any person who is offended by a fan who doesn't simply agree, automatically, with everything their team does... Can simply not read message boards. I'm not putting you down, but man, it's not a crime to disagree.

And I might add that this team has a far worse track record in drafts than the percentages you gave. Everyone is hoping the knew scouting department will change things, but it's too early to know.

05-02-2016, 09:31 AM	#131
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Can you not consider that you are wrong and the front office may know what they are doing? Every year that I slam a pick I put a crow in the freezer and have no issues in eating it with a great big smile. Sad part is I have enough crow in their to feed an army. I want to be wrong trust me and i will take all the verbal abuse that comes along with it. Like I said I will be smiling the entire time because it would probably mean my saints are winning. So far. i have eaten far less than I really want too. So do not hold back when the crow is ready to be served. I can take it like a man I just finished my blog on the draft review so it is time to accept, move on, sit back and see how this all unfolds. Making sure I have enough condiments just encase.
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

05-02-2016, 10:25 AM	#132
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by hagan714 spkb25 "I am not sold on Rankins" I am not either. I do not see our 12th pick of the NFL draft as a corner stone in which to rebuild with. Even if this works out he appears to be window dressing. That key cog element I just do not see in Rankings. He will always need the players around him to set the tone so he can feed of it them. A tone setter I do not see. Reed i viewed as a corner stone. He does not need players around him to help his play. Rankings appears to be the type of player you pick to finish off a rebuild with. We needed a corner stone at DT, So the saints go into the 2016 NFL season without that key element. Making the Williams pick hard for me because Reed was still there. Sheldon and Reed together would have left us short one starting DE. Another position we did nothing to address. I wont go about that second 2nd round pick. cost was way to high for a player like him. just like throwing money around in free agency the saints are now doing the same thing with picks. scary trend when you can not win the division much less make the playoffs. Last years picks I saw a honest chance of players being the corner stones of a rebuilding of the saints defense. I do not see that in this draft. You are entitled to your opinion and I usually enjoy your take on things but I think your opinion on Rankins reeks of more butt hurt than facts. If he needs so much help around him, as you say, then explain why he destroyed everyone in the senior bowl. I get that you wanted Reed but your obsession with him is keeping you from even giving Rankins a chance. Everyone else in the football world says it was a good pick. hagan714 and MarchingOn like this.

05-02-2016, 10:48 AM	#133
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by CharityMike You are entitled to your opinion and I usually enjoy your take on things but I think your opinion on Rankins reeks of more butt hurt than facts. If he needs so much help around him, as you say, then explain why he destroyed everyone in the senior bowl. I get that you wanted Reed but your obsession with him is keeping you from even giving Rankins a chance. Everyone else in the football world says it was a good pick. No if I am hurt by the Rankins selection the player that would be is Laremy Tunsil who dropped into our laps and in my wildest dreams I never saw that coming. Reed was not even on my mind at that point. Rankings claim to fame and the reason he sky rocketed up the board was his play at the senior bowl as you pointed out. In a season were the interior OL was good I would have given that the merit it deserved. But given this was one of the thinnest drafts for starting OG/OC in a few years I could not go this route. I had to keep him were the season ended. rated as a round 1/2 type of player because of the players he faced at the senior bowl. He has talent there is no denying it. But good OL had success neutralizing him. So there is my contention to him and a supporting cast. If Reed is my emotional issue, as you have justly pointed out, go to round two which he was another gift from the football gods that dropped into our laps. Thats the round were emotions really kicked in. Jarran Reed was the pick to make the entire Rankins pick work for me. Now pair the two together and I would have been happier than a pig in **** .To get those two at the end of round two would have been a steal. That would have changed the entire DT situation for the saints and did wonders for my out look at what the saints were doing at DT. Sure by my standards is as backwards as you can get but as long as you end up there who cares. That is a match made in heaven So he rates as a player I will sit back and watch and hope to be wrong about. Funny enough as it is the players around him will be under the microscope for me more than him. Sheldon Rankins will be competing with the ghost of Laremy Tunsilwill Michael Thomas will be competing with the ghost of Jarran Reed Ghost crowd my fragile egg shell mind. So the season has started and it is time to grease the band wagon. CharityMike and MarchingOn like this.
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins Last edited by hagan714; 05-02-2016 at 11:16 AM..

05-02-2016, 10:59 AM	#134
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Underwhelmed If you're a believer in advanced metrics, then you'll be happy with the grade PFF gave the Saints draft. B+. Only 2 teams in the NFC graded higher. And as an added bonus, the Falcons got the lowest grade in the NFL with a D-. Makes me happy. CheramieIII, spkb25, SmashMouth and 1 others like this.

05-02-2016, 11:06 AM	#135
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,618 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by Utah_Saint If you're a believer in advanced metrics, then you'll be happy with the grade PFF gave the Saints draft. B+. Only 2 teams in the NFC graded higher. Let me guess .. the Cowgirls is one of them?

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05-02-2016, 11:18 AM	#136
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by K Major Let me guess .. the Cowgirls is one of them? The little boys got a B-. K Major likes this.

05-02-2016, 01:32 PM	#137
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05-02-2016, 03:10 PM	#138
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05-02-2016, 03:26 PM	#139
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Underwhelmed It's so darn easy to rip the front offices and coaches that all they do yearly is study tape after tape to draft what they think is the team need or just the BPA and any gambler will be right 80% of the time if they take the field in the NFL game so to speak. That 20% left will still have big odds at cutting into a lineup . So to come in here and moan and groan on the draft picks they got will not be a Ricky Jackson is pretty easy to be correct, but is kinda copping out on our picks, just be cool and let's see what we have, let's listen to the scopes of coaches and even some of our BnG members who can attend mini camps and open practices it's okay to voice your opinions but you have to take the smack from us who don't like to hear the attitudes who don't agree. Okay let me have it. AsylumGuido likes this.
	thats the fact jack!!!!!

05-02-2016, 03:42 PM	#140
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by st thomas It's so darn easy to rip the front offices and coaches that all they do yearly is study tape after tape to draft what they think is the team need or just the BPA and any gambler will be right 80% of the time if they take the field in the NFL game so to speak. That 20% left will still have big odds at cutting into a lineup . So to come in here and moan and groan on the draft picks they got will not be a Ricky Jackson is pretty easy to be correct, but is kinda copping out on our picks, just be cool and let's see what we have, let's listen to the scopes of coaches and even some of our BnG members who can attend mini camps and open practices it's okay to voice your opinions but you have to take the smack from us who don't like to hear the attitudes who don't agree. Okay let me have it. Bro, you are more than entitled to your opinion. Everyone has one. Nobody is getting hurt by voicing (or typing) an opinion. Any person who is offended by a fan who doesn't simply agree, automatically, with everything their team does... Can simply not read message boards. I'm not putting you down, but man, it's not a crime to disagree. And I might add that this team has a far worse track record in drafts than the percentages you gave. Everyone is hoping the knew scouting department will change things, but it's too early to know. spkb25 and TheDeuce like this.

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