Underwhelmed

CheramieIII · 05-01-2016, 07:32 PM

I think everyone has lost site of what the Saints were like 40 years ago. I'm just glad we have a DT or 2.

spkb25 · 05-02-2016, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

I think everyone has lost site of what the Saints were like 40 years ago. I'm just glad we have a DT or 2.

I just remember what they were like the last two years- out of the playoffs and sub 500

burningmetal · 05-02-2016, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

I think everyone has lost site of what the Saints were like 40 years ago. I'm just glad we have a DT or 2.

This kind of comment is so old and tired. Exactly how long would you like for people to look 40 years into the past? Isn't getting better, and elevating expectations kind of the point?

Say whatever you want about this draft, or this team, or that guy... Whatever. But please, stop using the past as a reason to excuse mediocrity.

CheramieIII · 05-02-2016, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

This kind of comment is so old and tired. Exactly how long would you like for people to look 40 years into the past? Isn't getting better, and elevating expectations kind of the point?

Say whatever you want about this draft, or this team, or that guy... Whatever. But please, stop using the past as a reason to excuse mediocrity.

Won't lose site of where we came from because the future depends on it. For the players, the coaches and the front office.

It impacts who we are, how we think, what we believe, how we interact with others, what we think is possible for ourselves, whether we view the world as good or bad, what we strive for. Our history—our upbringing—impacts everything we think and believe and do.

It's is impossible to know where to go without reflecting on your past. Understanding our heritage and our roots are a very important part of carving out our future.

Melissa Joy • Never Forget Where You Came From.

This excerpt is from Melissa Joy and a damn good one!

You can forget the past if you want to but I for one will never forget it and will remember it to motivate everyone in the future.

Utah_Saint · 05-02-2016, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

Won't lose site of where we came from because the future depends on it. For the players, the coaches and the front office.

It impacts who we are, how we think, what we believe, how we interact with others, what we think is possible for ourselves, whether we view the world as good or bad, what we strive for. Our history—our upbringing—impacts everything we think and believe and do.

It's is impossible to know where to go without reflecting on your past. Understanding our heritage and our roots are a very important part of carving out our future.

Melissa Joy • Never Forget Where You Came From.

This excerpt is from Melissa Joy and a damn good one!

You can forget the past if you want to but I for one will never forget it and will remember it to motivate everyone in the future.

Well said.

burningmetal · 05-08-2016, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

Won't lose site of where we came from because the future depends on it. For the players, the coaches and the front office.

It impacts who we are, how we think, what we believe, how we interact with others, what we think is possible for ourselves, whether we view the world as good or bad, what we strive for. Our history—our upbringing—impacts everything we think and believe and do.

It's is impossible to know where to go without reflecting on your past. Understanding our heritage and our roots are a very important part of carving out our future.

Melissa Joy • Never Forget Where You Came From.

This excerpt is from Melissa Joy and a damn good one!

You can forget the past if you want to but I for one will never forget it and will remember it to motivate everyone in the future.

You do realize this is a discussion about football, right? Comparing one's heritage to a football organization which has players who are not in any way related to the players who stunk up the joint in the past, is kind of far fetched, in my opinion.

But more than that, here's where you're really missing my point. I didn't say "forget" the past. Unless you have amnesia, you can't forget that, nor can you "choose" to forget. I asked how long you want us to look 40 years into the past. Meaning, how long before we can stop judging this team based on those teams, in your opinion?

It's fine to remember the past, but you have to move on from it. You're right in one sense... When you say it should be used as motivation. Absolutely. That means not settling for mediocrity, simply because "well, we've had worse". That's the overwhelming sentiment I get from people who constantly use that tired old line, as I described it earlier.

THIS is not THEN. That's the point I'm trying to get across.

AsylumGuido · 05-08-2016, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

You do realize this is a discussion about football, right? Comparing one's heritage to a football organization which has players who are not in any way related to the players who stunk up the joint in the past, is kind of far fetched, in my opinion.

But more than that, here's where you're really missing my point. I didn't say "forget" the past. Unless you have amnesia, you can't forget that, nor can you "choose" to forget. I asked how long you want us to look 40 years into the past. Meaning, how long before we can stop judging this team based on those teams, in your opinion?

It's fine to remember the past, but you have to move on from it. You're right in one sense... When you say it should be used as motivation. Absolutely. That means not settling for mediocrity, simply because "well, we've had worse". That's the overwhelming sentiment I get from people who constantly use that tired old line, as I described it earlier.

THIS is not THEN. That's the point I'm trying to get across.

I get what you are saying, but I am just of a philosophy that criticizing or basically *****ing and moaning about what goes on with the front office of the Saints is a nonproductive waste of time. I, like the vast majority of fans, know that nothing we say has any affect on what happens with our Saints. Most of us choose to simply enjoy it for what it is ... entertainment. Of course, the more we win the more entertaining it becomes. I remember when three out of four years with a 7-9 record would have been regarded as a winning streak. Do I wish for more? Of course, but why get bent out of shape over it if there is nothing I, or any other fan, can do about it.

What happens with the team will happen and I for one get tired of so much negativity. There seems to be more in recent years than back in the heyday. I'm sure that has to do with heightened expectations, but it still seems to me to be a waste of time and energy to be so critical about something that is completely out of ones control.

People sometimes call me a homer and accuse me of wearing rose colored glasses. I say, fine. I see nothing wrong with either of those things.

05-01-2016, 07:32 PM	#1
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,497 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underwhelmed I think everyone has lost site of what the Saints were like 40 years ago. I'm just glad we have a DT or 2. AsylumGuido, Utah_Saint and MarchingOn like this.

05-02-2016, 04:45 AM	#2
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by CheramieIII I think everyone has lost site of what the Saints were like 40 years ago. I'm just glad we have a DT or 2. I just remember what they were like the last two years- out of the playoffs and sub 500 CheramieIII likes this.

05-02-2016, 05:01 AM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by CheramieIII I think everyone has lost site of what the Saints were like 40 years ago. I'm just glad we have a DT or 2. This kind of comment is so old and tired. Exactly how long would you like for people to look 40 years into the past? Isn't getting better, and elevating expectations kind of the point? Say whatever you want about this draft, or this team, or that guy... Whatever. But please, stop using the past as a reason to excuse mediocrity.

05-02-2016, 04:17 PM	#4
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,497 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by burningmetal This kind of comment is so old and tired. Exactly how long would you like for people to look 40 years into the past? Isn't getting better, and elevating expectations kind of the point? Say whatever you want about this draft, or this team, or that guy... Whatever. But please, stop using the past as a reason to excuse mediocrity. Won't lose site of where we came from because the future depends on it. For the players, the coaches and the front office. It impacts who we are, how we think, what we believe, how we interact with others, what we think is possible for ourselves, whether we view the world as good or bad, what we strive for. Our history—our upbringing—impacts everything we think and believe and do. It's is impossible to know where to go without reflecting on your past. Understanding our heritage and our roots are a very important part of carving out our future. Melissa Joy • Never Forget Where You Came From. This excerpt is from Melissa Joy and a damn good one! You can forget the past if you want to but I for one will never forget it and will remember it to motivate everyone in the future. AsylumGuido and Utah_Saint like this.
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05-02-2016, 04:22 PM	#5
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by CheramieIII Won't lose site of where we came from because the future depends on it. For the players, the coaches and the front office. It impacts who we are, how we think, what we believe, how we interact with others, what we think is possible for ourselves, whether we view the world as good or bad, what we strive for. Our history—our upbringing—impacts everything we think and believe and do. It's is impossible to know where to go without reflecting on your past. Understanding our heritage and our roots are a very important part of carving out our future. Melissa Joy • Never Forget Where You Came From. This excerpt is from Melissa Joy and a damn good one! You can forget the past if you want to but I for one will never forget it and will remember it to motivate everyone in the future. Well said. CheramieIII likes this.

05-08-2016, 08:14 AM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by CheramieIII Won't lose site of where we came from because the future depends on it. For the players, the coaches and the front office. It impacts who we are, how we think, what we believe, how we interact with others, what we think is possible for ourselves, whether we view the world as good or bad, what we strive for. Our history—our upbringing—impacts everything we think and believe and do. It's is impossible to know where to go without reflecting on your past. Understanding our heritage and our roots are a very important part of carving out our future. Melissa Joy • Never Forget Where You Came From. This excerpt is from Melissa Joy and a damn good one! You can forget the past if you want to but I for one will never forget it and will remember it to motivate everyone in the future. You do realize this is a discussion about football, right? Comparing one's heritage to a football organization which has players who are not in any way related to the players who stunk up the joint in the past, is kind of far fetched, in my opinion. But more than that, here's where you're really missing my point. I didn't say "forget" the past. Unless you have amnesia, you can't forget that, nor can you "choose" to forget. I asked how long you want us to look 40 years into the past. Meaning, how long before we can stop judging this team based on those teams, in your opinion? It's fine to remember the past, but you have to move on from it. You're right in one sense... When you say it should be used as motivation. Absolutely. That means not settling for mediocrity, simply because "well, we've had worse". That's the overwhelming sentiment I get from people who constantly use that tired old line, as I described it earlier. THIS is not THEN. That's the point I'm trying to get across.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

05-08-2016, 11:27 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by burningmetal You do realize this is a discussion about football, right? Comparing one's heritage to a football organization which has players who are not in any way related to the players who stunk up the joint in the past, is kind of far fetched, in my opinion. But more than that, here's where you're really missing my point. I didn't say "forget" the past. Unless you have amnesia, you can't forget that, nor can you "choose" to forget. I asked how long you want us to look 40 years into the past. Meaning, how long before we can stop judging this team based on those teams, in your opinion? It's fine to remember the past, but you have to move on from it. You're right in one sense... When you say it should be used as motivation. Absolutely. That means not settling for mediocrity, simply because "well, we've had worse". That's the overwhelming sentiment I get from people who constantly use that tired old line, as I described it earlier. THIS is not THEN. That's the point I'm trying to get across. I get what you are saying, but I am just of a philosophy that criticizing or basically *****ing and moaning about what goes on with the front office of the Saints is a nonproductive waste of time. I, like the vast majority of fans, know that nothing we say has any affect on what happens with our Saints. Most of us choose to simply enjoy it for what it is ... entertainment. Of course, the more we win the more entertaining it becomes. I remember when three out of four years with a 7-9 record would have been regarded as a winning streak. Do I wish for more? Of course, but why get bent out of shape over it if there is nothing I, or any other fan, can do about it. What happens with the team will happen and I for one get tired of so much negativity. There seems to be more in recent years than back in the heyday. I'm sure that has to do with heightened expectations, but it still seems to me to be a waste of time and energy to be so critical about something that is completely out of ones control. People sometimes call me a homer and accuse me of wearing rose colored glasses. I say, fine. I see nothing wrong with either of those things.

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