PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'

Danno · 09-08-2016, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Danno, I don't know how many times we have to have this argument on here. Throwing the ball 50 times a game will always yield big yards. But it also leads to interceptions and sacks/sack fumbles. And at the end of the day we aren't putting up more than 25 a game, which is about average for a half decent offense now. The offensive ranking is extremely hollow.

The question was about the offensive line, not where we rank in yards.

The defense rightfully takes a lot of the blame. There have been ten thousand threads about that. This team has been bottom of the league in rushing, gives up tons of pressures, and just doesn't sustain enough drives, particularly in the biggest games. They can still feast when going against defenses ranked in the lower half.

If we had a decent defense we might not have to air it out so much.

And its not just yards we lead the league in year in and year out. Its nearly every relevant statistical category there is.

We were top 10 in PPG for the last 2 years, and most points per drive.

Not buying it BM.

spkb25 · 09-08-2016, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

All ya'll on all sides of the arguments can blame Brees, Offense, too many yard, lack of points, better offensive line, suck offensive line, whatever --- in the end I blame Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis. They have had a lot of talent in recent years ---
Wasted draft picks (Greyson is typical, could have had more o-line).

Playcall gets too ambitious.

Too quick to pass, not enough mix of pass and run.

Can't beat teams who smack us in the face.

That said, I hope I'm wrong and I hope we go all the way and shut my chubby azz up!

yep, look at the dead money ect.

AsylumGuido · 09-08-2016, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

If we had a decent defense we might not have to air it out so much.

And its not just yards we lead the league in year in and year out. Its nearly every relevant statistical category there is.

We were top 10 in PPG for the last 2 years, and most points per drive.

Not buying it BM.

I've made the exact same arguments, Danno, but they are convinced the offensive is one of the worst in the NFL. I'm giving up.

AsylumGuido · 09-08-2016, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

yep, look at the dead money ect.

Nope. Nothing I can do about that so I ignore it.

saintshrimp · 09-08-2016, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

All ya'll on all sides of the arguments can blame Brees, Offense, too many yard, lack of points, better offensive line, suck offensive line, whatever --- in the end I blame Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis. They have had a lot of talent in recent years ---
Wasted draft picks (Greyson is typical, could have had more o-line).

Playcall gets too ambitious.

Too quick to pass, not enough mix of pass and run.

Can't beat teams who smack us in the face.

That said, I hope I'm wrong and I hope we go all the way and shut my chubby azz up!

I will agree whole heartedly with that.Sean and Mickey are a lot to blame here no question. I feel they should be on the hot seat myself

Danno · 09-08-2016, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I've made the exact same arguments, Danno, but they are convinced the offensive is one of the worst in the NFL. I'm giving up.

We were also #1 in 3rd down conversions (2014 AND 2015) so I'm not buying the "can't sustain drives" argument.

burningmetal · 09-08-2016, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

If we had a decent defense we might not have to air it out so much.

And its not just yards we lead the league in year in and year out. Its nearly every relevant statistical category there is.

We were top 10 in PPG for the last 2 years, and most points per drive.

Not buying it BM.

It's because the defense sucks and because we can't run that we air it out so much. That makes for lots of yards, and especially the garbage time yards and points.

And being in the top ten in scoring isn't a big deal. When you look at points per game there isn't much distance from 10 and, say, 16th or 17th in points. An elite offense in today's NFL should average at least about 27 a game. Carolina was 11th in total offense, but led the league in points with over 31 a game. It's amazing what a little balance and sustainability can do for you.

burningmetal · 09-08-2016, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

All ya'll on all sides of the arguments can blame Brees, Offense, too many yard, lack of points, better offensive line, suck offensive line, whatever --- in the end I blame Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis. They have had a lot of talent in recent years ---
Wasted draft picks (Greyson is typical, could have had more o-line).

Playcall gets too ambitious.

Too quick to pass, not enough mix of pass and run.

Can't beat teams who smack us in the face.

That said, I hope I'm wrong and I hope we go all the way and shut my chubby azz up!

I blame those guys all the time. Right now I'm commenting on players, but there's no question I think the staff has dropped the ball. But, you know, some posters don't want to hear that either. It's a big love fest until it isn't. I can't figure it out.

AsylumGuido · 09-08-2016, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I blame those guys all the time. Right now I'm commenting on players, but there's no question I think the staff has dropped the ball. But, you know, some posters don't want to hear that either. It's a big love fest until it isn't. I can't figure it out.

Some enjoy being a fan and simply being entertained. Others enjoy *****ing.

saintshrimp · 09-08-2016, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I've made the exact same arguments, Danno, but they are convinced the offensive is one of the worst in the NFL. I'm giving up.

No I'm not saying the offense is bad your missing it.the line play on a consistent basic is bad. The inability to open running lanes. Passing game isnt the issue .

09-08-2016, 08:07 PM	#51
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' Originally Posted by burningmetal Danno, I don't know how many times we have to have this argument on here. Throwing the ball 50 times a game will always yield big yards. But it also leads to interceptions and sacks/sack fumbles. And at the end of the day we aren't putting up more than 25 a game, which is about average for a half decent offense now. The offensive ranking is extremely hollow. The question was about the offensive line, not where we rank in yards. The defense rightfully takes a lot of the blame. There have been ten thousand threads about that. This team has been bottom of the league in rushing, gives up tons of pressures, and just doesn't sustain enough drives, particularly in the biggest games. They can still feast when going against defenses ranked in the lower half. If we had a decent defense we might not have to air it out so much. And its not just yards we lead the league in year in and year out. Its nearly every relevant statistical category there is. We were top 10 in PPG for the last 2 years, and most points per drive. Not buying it BM.

09-08-2016, 08:09 PM	#52
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' Originally Posted by Halo All ya'll on all sides of the arguments can blame Brees, Offense, too many yard, lack of points, better offensive line, suck offensive line, whatever --- in the end I blame Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis. They have had a lot of talent in recent years --- Wasted draft picks (Greyson is typical, could have had more o-line). Playcall gets too ambitious. Too quick to pass, not enough mix of pass and run. Can't beat teams who smack us in the face. That said, I hope I'm wrong and I hope we go all the way and shut my chubby azz up! yep, look at the dead money ect.

09-08-2016, 08:09 PM	#53
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' Originally Posted by Danno If we had a decent defense we might not have to air it out so much. And its not just yards we lead the league in year in and year out. Its nearly every relevant statistical category there is. We were top 10 in PPG for the last 2 years, and most points per drive. Not buying it BM. I've made the exact same arguments, Danno, but they are convinced the offensive is one of the worst in the NFL. I'm giving up. Halo likes this.

09-08-2016, 08:11 PM	#54
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' Originally Posted by spkb25 yep, look at the dead money ect. Nope. Nothing I can do about that so I ignore it.

09-08-2016, 08:12 PM	#55
saintshrimp 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houma,LA. Posts: 695	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' Originally Posted by Halo All ya'll on all sides of the arguments can blame Brees, Offense, too many yard, lack of points, better offensive line, suck offensive line, whatever --- in the end I blame Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis. They have had a lot of talent in recent years --- Wasted draft picks (Greyson is typical, could have had more o-line). Playcall gets too ambitious. Too quick to pass, not enough mix of pass and run. Can't beat teams who smack us in the face. That said, I hope I'm wrong and I hope we go all the way and shut my chubby azz up! I will agree whole heartedly with that.Sean and Mickey are a lot to blame here no question. I feel they should be on the hot seat myself Halo likes this.

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09-08-2016, 08:13 PM	#56
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I've made the exact same arguments, Danno, but they are convinced the offensive is one of the worst in the NFL. I'm giving up. We were also #1 in 3rd down conversions (2014 AND 2015) so I'm not buying the "can't sustain drives" argument.

09-08-2016, 08:13 PM	#57
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' Originally Posted by Danno If we had a decent defense we might not have to air it out so much. And its not just yards we lead the league in year in and year out. Its nearly every relevant statistical category there is. We were top 10 in PPG for the last 2 years, and most points per drive. Not buying it BM. It's because the defense sucks and because we can't run that we air it out so much. That makes for lots of yards, and especially the garbage time yards and points. And being in the top ten in scoring isn't a big deal. When you look at points per game there isn't much distance from 10 and, say, 16th or 17th in points. An elite offense in today's NFL should average at least about 27 a game. Carolina was 11th in total offense, but led the league in points with over 31 a game. It's amazing what a little balance and sustainability can do for you.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-08-2016, 08:16 PM	#58
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' Originally Posted by Halo All ya'll on all sides of the arguments can blame Brees, Offense, too many yard, lack of points, better offensive line, suck offensive line, whatever --- in the end I blame Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis. They have had a lot of talent in recent years --- Wasted draft picks (Greyson is typical, could have had more o-line). Playcall gets too ambitious. Too quick to pass, not enough mix of pass and run. Can't beat teams who smack us in the face. That said, I hope I'm wrong and I hope we go all the way and shut my chubby azz up! I blame those guys all the time. Right now I'm commenting on players, but there's no question I think the staff has dropped the ball. But, you know, some posters don't want to hear that either. It's a big love fest until it isn't. I can't figure it out.

09-08-2016, 08:17 PM	#59
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' Originally Posted by burningmetal I blame those guys all the time. Right now I'm commenting on players, but there's no question I think the staff has dropped the ball. But, you know, some posters don't want to hear that either. It's a big love fest until it isn't. I can't figure it out. Some enjoy being a fan and simply being entertained. Others enjoy *****ing. Halo likes this.

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saintshrimp 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houma,LA. Posts: 695	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I've made the exact same arguments, Danno, but they are convinced the offensive is one of the worst in the NFL. I'm giving up. No I'm not saying the offense is bad your missing it.the line play on a consistent basic is bad. The inability to open running lanes. Passing game isnt the issue .

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