Fire Sean Payton

jnormand · 10-03-2016, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Precisely, the only reason for that win was the young guys on D didn't quit at the end. Nothing to do with Sean Payton.

Whoa whoa Diz. If the young guys on defense HAD quit and we lost, you'd be saying that is Sean Payton's fault. Cmon man. You've made up your mind. I respect that. But you've got to give credit where it's due. The Saints finished this game. Found a way to win. Prior to the game the coach made some personnel changes too.

I'm glad we won! The team needed that! And so did I! Who Dat!

dizzle88 · 10-03-2016, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Whoa whoa Diz. If the young guys on defense HAD quit and we lost, you'd be saying that is Sean Payton's fault. Cmon man. You've made up your mind. I respect that. But you've got to give credit where it's due. The Saints finished this game. Found a way to win. Prior to the game the coach made some personnel changes too.

I'm glad we won! The team needed that! And so did I! Who Dat!

Yeah you're not wrong to be honest lol

Fair enough, credit where it's due, we finished this game. Let's see how we look after the bye.

jnormand · 10-03-2016, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Yeah you're not wrong to be honest lol

Fair enough, credit where it's due, we finished this game. Let's see how we look after the bye.

There ya go! You'll be a sunshiner in no time!!!! Lmao!!! It's good to be smiling on a Monday morning.

neugey · 10-03-2016, 07:52 AM

I missed the game, and I don't know what we did to stop Rivers at the end, but that is the part that impresses me. Given the way our defense plays and the NFL goes, you figure we have about a 25% of keeping the Chargers out of Field Goal range in the two-minute drill. Somehow we did it, defense must have showed up big time.

dizzle88 · 10-03-2016, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

I missed the game, and I don't know what we did to stop Rivers at the end, but that is the part that impresses me. Given the way our defense plays and the NFL goes, you figure we have about a 25% of keeping the Chargers out of Field Goal range in the two-minute drill. Somehow we did it, defense must have showed up big time.

1st down - Nick Fairley got his second sack of the game

2nd down - Rivers making changes at the line, center snaps it past him, rivers recovers.

3rd down - Could have been a backbreaker for us, very near 24 yard completion on 3rd and 22. Sterling Moore gets a finger tip on it, knocks off Inmans concentration and he misjudges the catch. Tip drill dropped by 2 saints defenders.

4th down - Rivers throws deep right side and B.W Webb is standing at the first down marker, jumps and snags it.

K Major · 10-03-2016, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Tackling, penalties, Brees' continual struggles on the road. He was very inaccurate today, even on some completions. I don't know what happens to him on the road. And of course the offensive line is still very up and down.

I saw a few bad passes that Brees normally makes with his eyes closed (2 badly thrown balls to Thomas). He may have been hurt in the 4th quarter because he didn't look right.

The bye came at the perfect time. Hopefully it's minor. These men need time to heal up.

st thomas · 10-03-2016, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

We could very easily be 3-1. We're not. We're 1-3. That's what we are. I get it. Out defense is bad. I get it. Injuries are no excuse. I get it.

We fought today. We've fought for 4 games. Serious adversity. I'm not ready to get rid of Sean. Not even close.

i'm going to catch crap on this but i'll say it anyway. when u have 8-10 players and i'm not just saying starters .just role players also out, u don't have much at all of chance on even competing with the lowest of lows in NFL. now listen to this ending, WHEN U DON'T HAVE SOLID BACK UPS. and yes i'm proud the way these young guys have heart not to quit. it reminds me of seans first year in 06, we had winning season with young on the ball players that played with fire and no quit in them. may be the start of something good to come. NOT LIKE THEM SUPERBOWL PANTYS THAT JUST QUIT AGAINST THE CLOWNS YESTERDAY.

burningmetal · 10-03-2016, 10:33 AM

I think all those who are using the injuries to excuse Sean are perhaps missing the point. The VAST majority of injuries have been on defense. Sean is an offensive guy. And it seems that if Brees isn't on top of his game we are losing. The play calling became rather predictable over time. I don't see where Sean is some great game planner, anymore. We lost one game this year because of bad offense, and yesterday was almost a second one, if not for the two turnovers deep in Charger territory.

I'm not calling for his head right now. I'm going to let the season play out before I give a definitive opinion on his future. But I get the growing doubt towards Payton, and I don't disagree with it.

There was a time when I used to expect loses, and any win was awesome. That was a long time ago. People are free to celebrate as much as they want over this. That's fine. I'm not going to get in anyone's ear and yell at them for that. But I have a tendency to kind of look at each game for what it is. If it wasn't impressive I'll say so. I'm still glad we won, and I clapped my hands and cheered while watching it. But that doesn't change what I saw for the majority of the game, and I don't get the hate towards giving an honest assessment of the game.

I'm not a paid analyst. It's just a natural thing for some of us to analyze. More time is spent arguing about opinion's than about football, these days.

K Major · 10-03-2016, 10:45 AM

Heard an interesting sound byte from Mike and Mike last week ...

The Saints were 3rd in the NFL on spending for offensive players and 31st for the defense.

Even before injuries this defense was bad...very bad. I actually believe Mickey Loomis is a bigger problem than Payton. He (Loomis) is either a bad personnel guy or he is not a personnel guy at all. Either way this isn't acceptable for a GM.

No matter how any of us feel about Loomis, no one can deny it's insane to have one man serving as GM for two Pro sport teams. It's too much for one man.

burningmetal · 10-03-2016, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Heard an interesting sound byte from Mike and Mike last week ...

The Saints were 3rd in the NFL on spending for offensive players and 31st for the defense.

Even before injuries this defense was bad...very bad. I actually believe Mickey Loomis is a bigger problem than Payton. He (Loomis) is either a bad personnel guy or he is not a personnel guy at all. Either way this isn't acceptable for a GM.

No matter how any of us feel about Loomis, no one can deny it's insane to have one man serving as GM for two Pro sport teams. It's too much for one man.

I definitely put a lot of the blame on Loomis, as well. No doubt about that. And I agree that he shouldn't be a GM for two different teams, also.

It's ridiculous. The guy is drinking too much of his own kool-aid. And Benson was nuts to offer him that opportunity.

10-03-2016, 06:56 AM	#31
jnormand 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Toilet of Idaho Posts: 4,503	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by dizzle88 Precisely, the only reason for that win was the young guys on D didn't quit at the end. Nothing to do with Sean Payton. Whoa whoa Diz. If the young guys on defense HAD quit and we lost, you'd be saying that is Sean Payton's fault. Cmon man. You've made up your mind. I respect that. But you've got to give credit where it's due. The Saints finished this game. Found a way to win. Prior to the game the coach made some personnel changes too. I'm glad we won! The team needed that! And so did I! Who Dat! jeanpierre and dizzle88 like this.

10-03-2016, 07:01 AM	#32
dizzle88 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,011	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by jnormand Whoa whoa Diz. If the young guys on defense HAD quit and we lost, you'd be saying that is Sean Payton's fault. Cmon man. You've made up your mind. I respect that. But you've got to give credit where it's due. The Saints finished this game. Found a way to win. Prior to the game the coach made some personnel changes too. I'm glad we won! The team needed that! And so did I! Who Dat! Yeah you're not wrong to be honest lol Fair enough, credit where it's due, we finished this game. Let's see how we look after the bye. jnormand and jeanpierre like this.
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10-03-2016, 07:05 AM	#33
jnormand 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Toilet of Idaho Posts: 4,503	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by dizzle88 Yeah you're not wrong to be honest lol Fair enough, credit where it's due, we finished this game. Let's see how we look after the bye. There ya go! You'll be a sunshiner in no time!!!! Lmao!!! It's good to be smiling on a Monday morning. Crusader and dizzle88 like this.

10-03-2016, 07:52 AM	#34
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,173 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Fire Sean Payton I missed the game, and I don't know what we did to stop Rivers at the end, but that is the part that impresses me. Given the way our defense plays and the NFL goes, you figure we have about a 25% of keeping the Chargers out of Field Goal range in the two-minute drill. Somehow we did it, defense must have showed up big time.

10-03-2016, 08:05 AM	#35
dizzle88 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,011	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by neugey I missed the game, and I don't know what we did to stop Rivers at the end, but that is the part that impresses me. Given the way our defense plays and the NFL goes, you figure we have about a 25% of keeping the Chargers out of Field Goal range in the two-minute drill. Somehow we did it, defense must have showed up big time. 1st down - Nick Fairley got his second sack of the game 2nd down - Rivers making changes at the line, center snaps it past him, rivers recovers. 3rd down - Could have been a backbreaker for us, very near 24 yard completion on 3rd and 22. Sterling Moore gets a finger tip on it, knocks off Inmans concentration and he misjudges the catch. Tip drill dropped by 2 saints defenders. 4th down - Rivers throws deep right side and B.W Webb is standing at the first down marker, jumps and snags it.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 17,336 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by burningmetal Tackling, penalties, Brees' continual struggles on the road. He was very inaccurate today, even on some completions. I don't know what happens to him on the road. And of course the offensive line is still very up and down. I saw a few bad passes that Brees normally makes with his eyes closed (2 badly thrown balls to Thomas). He may have been hurt in the 4th quarter because he didn't look right. The bye came at the perfect time. Hopefully it's minor. These men need time to heal up. jnormand likes this.

10-03-2016, 09:48 AM	#37
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,550	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by saintfan We could very easily be 3-1. We're not. We're 1-3. That's what we are. I get it. Out defense is bad. I get it. Injuries are no excuse. I get it. We fought today. We've fought for 4 games. Serious adversity. I'm not ready to get rid of Sean. Not even close. i'm going to catch crap on this but i'll say it anyway. when u have 8-10 players and i'm not just saying starters .just role players also out, u don't have much at all of chance on even competing with the lowest of lows in NFL. now listen to this ending, WHEN U DON'T HAVE SOLID BACK UPS. and yes i'm proud the way these young guys have heart not to quit. it reminds me of seans first year in 06, we had winning season with young on the ball players that played with fire and no quit in them. may be the start of something good to come. NOT LIKE THEM SUPERBOWL PANTYS THAT JUST QUIT AGAINST THE CLOWNS YESTERDAY. saintfan, jnormand and Crusader like this.
	thats the fact jack!!!!!

10-03-2016, 10:33 AM	#38
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,893 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fire Sean Payton I think all those who are using the injuries to excuse Sean are perhaps missing the point. The VAST majority of injuries have been on defense. Sean is an offensive guy. And it seems that if Brees isn't on top of his game we are losing. The play calling became rather predictable over time. I don't see where Sean is some great game planner, anymore. We lost one game this year because of bad offense, and yesterday was almost a second one, if not for the two turnovers deep in Charger territory. I'm not calling for his head right now. I'm going to let the season play out before I give a definitive opinion on his future. But I get the growing doubt towards Payton, and I don't disagree with it. There was a time when I used to expect loses, and any win was awesome. That was a long time ago. People are free to celebrate as much as they want over this. That's fine. I'm not going to get in anyone's ear and yell at them for that. But I have a tendency to kind of look at each game for what it is. If it wasn't impressive I'll say so. I'm still glad we won, and I clapped my hands and cheered while watching it. But that doesn't change what I saw for the majority of the game, and I don't get the hate towards giving an honest assessment of the game. I'm not a paid analyst. It's just a natural thing for some of us to analyze. More time is spent arguing about opinion's than about football, these days. spkb25 and dizzle88 like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

10-03-2016, 10:45 AM	#39
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 17,336 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Fire Sean Payton Heard an interesting sound byte from Mike and Mike last week ... The Saints were 3rd* in the NFL on spending for offensive players and 31st for the defense.* Even before injuries this defense was bad...very bad. I actually believe Mickey Loomis is a bigger problem than Payton. He (Loomis) is either a bad personnel guy or he is not a personnel guy at all. Either way this isn't acceptable for a GM. No matter how any of us feel about Loomis, no one can deny it's insane to have one man serving as GM for two Pro sport teams. It's too much for one man. dizzle88 and burningmetal like this.
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10-03-2016, 11:04 AM	#40
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,893 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by K Major Heard an interesting sound byte from Mike and Mike last week ... The Saints were 3rd* in the NFL on spending for offensive players and 31st for the defense.* Even before injuries this defense was bad...very bad. I actually believe Mickey Loomis is a bigger problem than Payton. He (Loomis) is either a bad personnel guy or he is not a personnel guy at all. Either way this isn't acceptable for a GM. No matter how any of us feel about Loomis, no one can deny it's insane to have one man serving as GM for two Pro sport teams. It's too much for one man. I definitely put a lot of the blame on Loomis, as well. No doubt about that. And I agree that he shouldn't be a GM for two different teams, also. It's ridiculous. The guy is drinking too much of his own kool-aid. And Benson was nuts to offer him that opportunity. K Major likes this.

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