Fire Sean Payton

The Dude · 10-03-2016, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I think we have crossed lines.
In my opinion, we scored far too fast and left the chargers ages to score. To clarify, I still had no belief the D was going to stop them and thought the Chargers would win.

Luckily for us, they shot themselves in the foot.

Now we didn't. We had a balanced attack that took like 2 minutes off the clock. We ran the ball as much as we could to burn the clock. You can only take so much time before you score and we milked pretty much every second we could off the clock. You can do it slowly but eventually you have to score. Great clock management in my opinion. Like I said 9 times out of ten Payton would have put that ball in the air and try to score in like 30 seconds.

The Dude · 10-03-2016, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Heard an interesting sound byte from Mike and Mike last week ...

The Saints were 3rd in the NFL on spending for offensive players and 31st for the defense.

Even before injuries this defense was bad...very bad. I actually believe Mickey Loomis is a bigger problem than Payton. He (Loomis) is either a bad personnel guy or he is not a personnel guy at all. Either way this isn't acceptable for a GM.

No matter how any of us feel about Loomis, no one can deny it's insane to have one man serving as GM for two Pro sport teams. It's too much for one man.

It wasn't that bad. Our line is at least a little bit better and our starting CBs were more than capable. Our problem was depth. We are seeing the result of that. With Breaux and Lewis back there we would be tough to score on. With Ellerbie and Rankins our front would be better.
Before our injuries their would have been plenty of defenses worse than us.

Euphoria · 10-03-2016, 12:23 PM

We don't have debth because we don't have cap... thanks to Bree's

SaintsBro · 10-03-2016, 12:36 PM

Of all the possible games in the universe, to put Sean Payton's neck in the guillotine and say "win today, or die!" while wanting him to fail, this was simply NOT the right game to do it for! If you were into counting the Saints' chickens before they hatched, and a lot of us were, or if you wanted to turn off the TV and say "Same ole Saints," well then yesterday was simply NOT the right day to do it.

This was the "Drew is awesome" game. Look, it was a crazy, sloppy, up-and-down game, and the football gods basically smiled down on us and GAVE it to Drew at the very end. And that was mainly because he asked them nicely for it. End of story.

Did I think we were gonna win? Of course not. Those four plays on defense at the very end, we all know that if any ONE of those had gone differently, it would have been a different game and we would be singing a very different tune today. But they didn't, they actually happened.... incredible things DO happen sometimes....even to crummy football teams....

And in this case, that's probably because in the big cosmic scheme of things, yesterday had very little do with firing Payton, it was Drew's day in the sunshine, his day of personal redemption, plain and simple. The grouchy referendum on Payton and Loomis and stewing over the whole slew of coaches can wait until another time, another day. This wasn't the right game for that. When the universe is smiling down and sending you a message, you should just accept it.

On Saturday, Drew went to the exact spot on the field where he was injured in 2005 and prayed, and no doubt reflected on the journey that life has taken him on so far. THAT is the story line of yesterday, even in the final crazy minutes, while Drew was wandering around the sideline grinning like a schoolboy, after those crazy fumbles and defensive plays that had absolutely nothing to do with him, but gave him exactly what he had wanted and wished for.

burningmetal · 10-03-2016, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

Of all the possible games in the universe, to put Sean Payton's neck in the guillotine and say "win today, or die!" while wanting him to fail, this was simply NOT the right game to do it for! If you were into counting the Saints' chickens before they hatched, and a lot of us were, or if you wanted to turn off the TV and say "Same ole Saints," well then yesterday was simply NOT the right day to do it.

This was the "Drew is awesome" game. Look, it was a crazy, sloppy, up-and-down game, and the football gods basically smiled down on us and GAVE it to Drew at the very end. And that was mainly because he asked them nicely for it. End of story.

Did I think we were gonna win? Of course not. Those four plays on defense at the very end, we all know that if any ONE of those had gone differently, it would have been a different game and we would be singing a very different tune today. But they didn't, they actually happened.... incredible things DO happen sometimes....even to crummy football teams....

And in this case, that's probably because in the big cosmic scheme of things, yesterday had very little do with firing Payton, it was Drew's day in the sunshine, his day of personal redemption, plain and simple. The grouchy referendum on Payton and Loomis and stewing over the whole slew of coaches can wait until another time, another day. This wasn't the right game for that. When the universe is smiling down and sending you a message, you should just accept it.

On Saturday, Drew went to the exact spot on the field where he was injured in 2005 and prayed, and no doubt reflected on the journey that life has taken him on so far. THAT is the story line of yesterday, even in the final crazy minutes, while Drew was wandering around the sideline grinning like a schoolboy, after those crazy fumbles and defensive plays that had absolutely nothing to do with him, but gave him exactly what he had wanted and wished for.

We won a game, and the Chargers kinda chocked. It's that simple.

Drew Brees wasn't the only person on that field who ever faced adversity. I believe that God blesses people, and Drew has certainly been blessed. But you're suggesting that God intervened on the outcome of the game. Maybe back up the hyperbole just a tad.

K Major · 10-03-2016, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

It wasn't that bad. Our line is at least a little bit better and our starting CBs were more than capable. Our problem was depth. We are seeing the result of that. With Breaux and Lewis back there we would be tough to score on. With Ellerbie and Rankins our front would be better.
Before our injuries their would have been plenty of defenses worse than us.

Dude,
Wasn't that bad? After week #1 of the season the Saints ranked :

#31st in total defense.
#28th in passing defense.
#25th in rushing defense.

This defense has been bad for a while. Multiple seasons of anemic, last place rankings. At some point you can't keep pointing fingers at injuries.

Rugby Saint II · 10-03-2016, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Heard an interesting sound byte from Mike and Mike last week ...

The Saints were 3rd in the NFL on spending for offensive players and 31st for the defense.

Even before injuries this defense was bad...very bad. I actually believe Mickey Loomis is a bigger problem than Payton. He (Loomis) is either a bad personnel guy or he is not a personnel guy at all. Either way this isn't acceptable for a GM.

No matter how any of us feel about Loomis, no one can deny it's insane to have one man serving as GM for two Pro sport teams. It's too much for one man.

Benson needs to limit Loomis to cap management and stay away from player evaluation and acquisition. Oh, and stop multi tasking the Pelicans and Saints. Pick one and stay there! Then Benson needs to limit Payton's power tremendously. I realize Ireland has been good at evaluating defense but has been hog tied by scheme changes. We have already cleaned house in the scouting department. Give the existing plan time to develop.

Still, I believe it's time for a fresh perspective.

The Dude · 10-03-2016, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

That is not an honest assessment. we have like 35 million in dead money, I am going to go ahead and blame that. Drew is earning what every qb earns

Agreed. You forgot to add poor drafting and poor FA signings. Anyone who blamed Brees for this has very little knowledge of the game much less the business of football. All players get the maximum they can for the production on the field. Brees is no different. It's just what QBs like Brees get paid. People also forget he was grossly underpaid for his production prior to the contract.

Euphoria · 10-03-2016, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Agreed. You forgot to add poor drafting and poor FA signings. Anyone who blamed Brees for this has very little knowledge of the game much less the business of football. All players get the maximum they can for the production on the field. Brees is no different. It's just what QBs like Brees get paid. People also forget he was grossly underpaid for his production prior to the contract.

Someone may want to look at other teams who have lests say less of a QB but can afford deep rosters of talent across the team. If you QB has a bad day - you lose. The other teams not so much.

Hell look at the teams who as of now ranked #1 in their divisions... all of them ranked #1 do not have a top teir QB. Even the Pats who have a 2nd and 3rd string starting ended up iwth a 3-1 record with out Brady.

So don't give me that personal attack about not knowing football - this is fact.

The Dude · 10-03-2016, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Dude,
Wasn't that bad? After week #1 of the season the Saints ranked :

#31st in total defense.
#28th in passing defense.
#25th in rushing defense.

This defense has been bad for a while. Multiple seasons of anemic, last place rankings. At some point you can't keep pointing fingers at injuries.

BEFORE injuries. We lost Lewis and 2 other starters before the season started. We looked pretty solid going in. We would have had what looks to be solid backups too unless ALL starters were injured which is exactly what happened

10-03-2016, 12:14 PM	#41
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 8,810	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by dizzle88 I think we have crossed lines. In my opinion, we scored far too fast and left the chargers ages to score. To clarify, I still had no belief the D was going to stop them and thought the Chargers would win. Luckily for us, they shot themselves in the foot. Now we didn't. We had a balanced attack that took like 2 minutes off the clock. We ran the ball as much as we could to burn the clock. You can only take so much time before you score and we milked pretty much every second we could off the clock. You can do it slowly but eventually you have to score. Great clock management in my opinion. Like I said 9 times out of ten Payton would have put that ball in the air and try to score in like 30 seconds. jnormand likes this.
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10-03-2016, 12:17 PM	#42
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 8,810	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by K Major Heard an interesting sound byte from Mike and Mike last week ... The Saints were 3rd* in the NFL on spending for offensive players and 31st for the defense.* Even before injuries this defense was bad...very bad. I actually believe Mickey Loomis is a bigger problem than Payton. He (Loomis) is either a bad personnel guy or he is not a personnel guy at all. Either way this isn't acceptable for a GM. No matter how any of us feel about Loomis, no one can deny it's insane to have one man serving as GM for two Pro sport teams. It's too much for one man. It wasn't that bad. Our line is at least a little bit better and our starting CBs were more than capable. Our problem was depth. We are seeing the result of that. With Breaux and Lewis back there we would be tough to score on. With Ellerbie and Rankins our front would be better. Before our injuries their would have been plenty of defenses worse than us.
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10-03-2016, 12:36 PM	#44
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,637 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fire Sean Payton Of all the possible games in the universe, to put Sean Payton's neck in the guillotine and say "win today, or die!" while wanting him to fail, this was simply NOT the right game to do it for! If you were into counting the Saints' chickens before they hatched, and a lot of us were, or if you wanted to turn off the TV and say "Same ole Saints," well then yesterday was simply NOT the right day to do it. This was the "Drew is awesome" game. Look, it was a crazy, sloppy, up-and-down game, and the football gods basically smiled down on us and GAVE it to Drew at the very end. And that was mainly because he asked them nicely for it. End of story. Did I think we were gonna win? Of course not. Those four plays on defense at the very end, we all know that if any ONE of those had gone differently, it would have been a different game and we would be singing a very different tune today. But they didn't, they actually happened.... incredible things DO happen sometimes....even to crummy football teams.... And in this case, that's probably because in the big cosmic scheme of things, yesterday had very little do with firing Payton, it was Drew's day in the sunshine, his day of personal redemption, plain and simple. The grouchy referendum on Payton and Loomis and stewing over the whole slew of coaches can wait until another time, another day. This wasn't the right game for that. When the universe is smiling down and sending you a message, you should just accept it. On Saturday, Drew went to the exact spot on the field where he was injured in 2005 and prayed, and no doubt reflected on the journey that life has taken him on so far. THAT is the story line of yesterday, even in the final crazy minutes, while Drew was wandering around the sideline grinning like a schoolboy, after those crazy fumbles and defensive plays that had absolutely nothing to do with him, but gave him exactly what he had wanted and wished for. neugey and FinSaint like this.
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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,903 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by SaintsBro Of all the possible games in the universe, to put Sean Payton's neck in the guillotine and say "win today, or die!" while wanting him to fail, this was simply NOT the right game to do it for! If you were into counting the Saints' chickens before they hatched, and a lot of us were, or if you wanted to turn off the TV and say "Same ole Saints," well then yesterday was simply NOT the right day to do it. This was the "Drew is awesome" game. Look, it was a crazy, sloppy, up-and-down game, and the football gods basically smiled down on us and GAVE it to Drew at the very end. And that was mainly because he asked them nicely for it. End of story. Did I think we were gonna win? Of course not. Those four plays on defense at the very end, we all know that if any ONE of those had gone differently, it would have been a different game and we would be singing a very different tune today. But they didn't, they actually happened.... incredible things DO happen sometimes....even to crummy football teams.... And in this case, that's probably because in the big cosmic scheme of things, yesterday had very little do with firing Payton, it was Drew's day in the sunshine, his day of personal redemption, plain and simple. The grouchy referendum on Payton and Loomis and stewing over the whole slew of coaches can wait until another time, another day. This wasn't the right game for that. When the universe is smiling down and sending you a message, you should just accept it. On Saturday, Drew went to the exact spot on the field where he was injured in 2005 and prayed, and no doubt reflected on the journey that life has taken him on so far. THAT is the story line of yesterday, even in the final crazy minutes, while Drew was wandering around the sideline grinning like a schoolboy, after those crazy fumbles and defensive plays that had absolutely nothing to do with him, but gave him exactly what he had wanted and wished for. We won a game, and the Chargers kinda chocked. It's that simple. Drew Brees wasn't the only person on that field who ever faced adversity. I believe that God blesses people, and Drew has certainly been blessed. But you're suggesting that God intervened on the outcome of the game. Maybe back up the hyperbole just a tad.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 20,205 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by The Dude It wasn't that bad. Our line is at least a little bit better and our starting CBs were more than capable. Our problem was depth. We are seeing the result of that. With Breaux and Lewis back there we would be tough to score on. With Ellerbie and Rankins our front would be better. Before our injuries their would have been plenty of defenses worse than us. Dude, Wasn't that bad? After week #1 of the season the Saints ranked : #31st in total defense. #28th in passing defense. #25th in rushing defense. This defense has been bad for a while. Multiple seasons of anemic, last place rankings. At some point you can't keep pointing fingers at injuries.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 21,011	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by K Major Heard an interesting sound byte from Mike and Mike last week ... The Saints were 3rd* in the NFL on spending for offensive players and 31st for the defense.* Even before injuries this defense was bad...very bad. I actually believe Mickey Loomis is a bigger problem than Payton. He (Loomis) is either a bad personnel guy or he is not a personnel guy at all. Either way this isn't acceptable for a GM. No matter how any of us feel about Loomis, no one can deny it's insane to have one man serving as GM for two Pro sport teams. It's too much for one man. Benson needs to limit Loomis to cap management and stay away from player evaluation and acquisition. Oh, and stop multi tasking the Pelicans and Saints. Pick one and stay there! Then Benson needs to limit Payton's power tremendously. I realize Ireland has been good at evaluating defense but has been hog tied by scheme changes. We have already cleaned house in the scouting department. Give the existing plan time to develop. Still, I believe it's time for a fresh perspective.

10-03-2016, 03:06 PM	#48
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 8,810	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by spkb25 That is not an honest assessment. we have like 35 million in dead money, I am going to go ahead and blame that. Drew is earning what every qb earns Agreed. You forgot to add poor drafting and poor FA signings. Anyone who blamed Brees for this has very little knowledge of the game much less the business of football. All players get the maximum they can for the production on the field. Brees is no different. It's just what QBs like Brees get paid. People also forget he was grossly underpaid for his production prior to the contract.
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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by The Dude Agreed. You forgot to add poor drafting and poor FA signings. Anyone who blamed Brees for this has very little knowledge of the game much less the business of football. All players get the maximum they can for the production on the field. Brees is no different. It's just what QBs like Brees get paid. People also forget he was grossly underpaid for his production prior to the contract. Someone may want to look at other teams who have lests say less of a QB but can afford deep rosters of talent across the team. If you QB has a bad day - you lose. The other teams not so much. Hell look at the teams who as of now ranked #1 in their divisions... all of them ranked #1 do not have a top teir QB. Even the Pats who have a 2nd and 3rd string starting ended up iwth a 3-1 record with out Brady. So don't give me that personal attack about not knowing football - this is fact.
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 8,810	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by K Major Dude, Wasn't that bad? After week #1 of the season the Saints ranked : #31st in total defense. #28th in passing defense. #25th in rushing defense. This defense has been bad for a while. Multiple seasons of anemic, last place rankings. At some point you can't keep pointing fingers at injuries. BEFORE injuries. We lost Lewis and 2 other starters before the season started. We looked pretty solid going in. We would have had what looks to be solid backups too unless ALL starters were injured which is exactly what happened
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