Fire Sean Payton

K Major · 10-03-2016, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

It wasn't that bad. Our line is at least a little bit better and our starting CBs were more than capable. Our problem was depth. We are seeing the result of that. With Breaux and Lewis back there we would be tough to score on. With Ellerbie and Rankins our front would be better.
Before our injuries their would have been plenty of defenses worse than us.

Dude,
Wasn't that bad? After week #1 of the season the Saints ranked :

#31st in total defense.
#28th in passing defense.
#25th in rushing defense.

This defense has been bad for a while. Multiple seasons of anemic, last place rankings. At some point you can't keep pointing fingers at injuries.

The Dude · 10-03-2016, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Dude,
Wasn't that bad? After week #1 of the season the Saints ranked :

#31st in total defense.
#28th in passing defense.
#25th in rushing defense.

This defense has been bad for a while. Multiple seasons of anemic, last place rankings. At some point you can't keep pointing fingers at injuries.

BEFORE injuries. We lost Lewis and 2 other starters before the season started. We looked pretty solid going in. We would have had what looks to be solid backups too unless ALL starters were injured which is exactly what happened

burningmetal · 10-03-2016, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

BEFORE injuries. We lost Lewis and 2 other starters before the season started. We looked pretty solid going in. We would have had what looks to be solid backups too unless ALL starters were injured which is exactly what happened

We HOPED the defense was better coming in. But you're talking about guys who were part of a horrible defense a year ago. You can't say affirmatively that we were looking better coming in. I had my hopes just like anybody else. But until this regime proves they can develop a defense, I'm not going to sit here and say we'd have a good defense without injuries. We'd be better at corner, for sure. But without a consistent pass rush, even better cornerbacks can't hold up.

Breaux and Ellerbe are impact guys. I haven't seen enough of P.J. Williams, and haven't seen any of Rankins. Kikaha flashed his quickness last year, but was a one trick pony who got easily fazed out too often. So it's really difficult to judge where we'd be. I look forward to getting at least some of them back to see what happens. In the mean time, the offense is going to have to suck it up. They've been very inconsistent so far.

10-03-2016, 03:38 PM	#2
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by K Major Dude, Wasn't that bad? After week #1 of the season the Saints ranked : #31st in total defense. #28th in passing defense. #25th in rushing defense. This defense has been bad for a while. Multiple seasons of anemic, last place rankings. At some point you can't keep pointing fingers at injuries. BEFORE injuries. We lost Lewis and 2 other starters before the season started. We looked pretty solid going in. We would have had what looks to be solid backups too unless ALL starters were injured which is exactly what happened
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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by The Dude BEFORE injuries. We lost Lewis and 2 other starters before the season started. We looked pretty solid going in. We would have had what looks to be solid backups too unless ALL starters were injured which is exactly what happened We HOPED the defense was better coming in. But you're talking about guys who were part of a horrible defense a year ago. You can't say affirmatively that we were looking better coming in. I had my hopes just like anybody else. But until this regime proves they can develop a defense, I'm not going to sit here and say we'd have a good defense without injuries. We'd be better at corner, for sure. But without a consistent pass rush, even better cornerbacks can't hold up. Breaux and Ellerbe are impact guys. I haven't seen enough of P.J. Williams, and haven't seen any of Rankins. Kikaha flashed his quickness last year, but was a one trick pony who got easily fazed out too often. So it's really difficult to judge where we'd be. I look forward to getting at least some of them back to see what happens. In the mean time, the offense is going to have to suck it up. They've been very inconsistent so far. K Major likes this.
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10-03-2016, 01:03 PM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by The Dude It wasn't that bad. Our line is at least a little bit better and our starting CBs were more than capable. Our problem was depth. We are seeing the result of that. With Breaux and Lewis back there we would be tough to score on. With Ellerbie and Rankins our front would be better. Before our injuries their would have been plenty of defenses worse than us. Dude, Wasn't that bad? After week #1 of the season the Saints ranked : #31st in total defense. #28th in passing defense. #25th in rushing defense. This defense has been bad for a while. Multiple seasons of anemic, last place rankings. At some point you can't keep pointing fingers at injuries.