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dont get me all riled up dammit:broccoli:

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Updated my favorite targets for the Saints' Top Ten Free Agent Targets:

1. RG Kevin Zeitler, 27

2. CB Trumaine Johnson, 27

3. LB Melvin Ingram, 28

4. CB A.J. Bouye, 26

5. LG Andrew Norwell, 25 (RFA)

6. QB Brian Hoyer, 31

7. DT Nick Fairley, 28

8. CB Sterling Moore, 26

9. WR Willie Snead, 24 (RFA)

10. FB John Kuhn, 34 (signed) :bng:

Disclaimer: Again, don't expect to sign all from the list, but three or four of the top 6 would be great...

Signing three of the top five and our key returning FAs would have me :dance:...

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1 A.J. Klein MLB/OLB
2 Micah Hyde DB/PR
3 Johnathan Hankins or Nick Fairley
4 Kevin Zeitler RG
5 Brynden Trawick S
6 Sterling Moore CB
7 Rick Wagner RT

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I hope not. Money would have to be right, scheme switch concerns me.

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JeanPierre, you are my go to guy when I want to know about players that would really work for us, but you've finally lost me at Hoyer. Are you thinking backup with this guy or replacement? He does seem to have about two great games a season in him, but...

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Johnathan Hankins looks shaky Ceuz and Jenner just released.

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That is a great list with substantial talent that we so desperately need.

I too question Hoyer. but I don't follow him so I'll trust your evaluation but that seems early on a wish list.

In my opinion Snead needs to be in the top five but if we get a deal done I'm gonna' be happy.

AJ Bouye has been a favorite of mine but the more I read about him the more I hear that he is wildly inconsistent, even though he played well this year.

I absolutely want Zeitler but he may price himself out of our range. Not even a mention of Leary? I do not know if he plays LG or RG. Currently we are in the market for a RG while Peat plays at LG.

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Texans not likely to franchise AJ Bouye ...

NFL GM's hesitant on paying A.J. Bouye big money

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Backup, definitely; good football IQ, scrappy, competitive...

But the operative word is not replacement, it's transition...

He's a good quarterback, he's just not been with the right pro coaching...

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Or OL. I thought he was pretty good when he was with MSU. He seemed to have a way to get his team to really believe in him. I do wonder if the pros have knocked that out of him yet.

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If I'm the Texans, I'm tagging him - better to have one bad year of a contract and move on than four years of a bad contract at that position...

Should Bouye prove he was no one year wonder, you can tag him again and get him extended long term...

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AJ is part of a solid CB corp so I am not so hyped about him. i am interested but i am in the texans camp about him,

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Payton has made it very clear that he wants a pass rusher. We all know why.

I am reluctant to pay big money for a pass rusher that another team is willing to let go.

After looking at the available pass rushers in free agency Melvin Ingram is the one that makes the most sense to me.

His injury history worries me , however he has put together two back to back good seasons

Adding a another rusher in the draft would also make sense and the player that appeals most to me is Solomon Thomas DE. IMHO he would be a perfect bookend to Cam Jordan. We might have to move up to get him. Garrett would be too costly to go up for.

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Payton said it was a MUST to add a pass rusher and knowing the way our team works that means we're gonna address it in free agency. Keep in mind, Melvin Ingram had his best season the year our new LB coach Mike Nolan was coaching in San Diego.

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My question is, does this spell the end of Ellerbe's tenure with the Saints should Ingram be added?

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Question 1 on Ingram is will he be tagged, with a 14 million dollar price?
and 2, what are the Saints willing to pay?
Every freaking team is looking at him. He'll def get 12, and probably bid it up more

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Yep.

Remember just last year Olivier Vernon (Giants) got a 5 year $85 million deal so I'm certain Ingram can surely expect something similar. It seems as though a lot of people still haven't gotten used to the rapidly rising cap. Ingram is the best pass rusher available and he is gonna get PAID.

Careful here ...

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It's easier to fix right guard in free agency than edge rusher/defensive end in free agency this year...

Payton likes misdirection, so I suspect the real priority is guard or maybe defensive back...

There are only two that I like in this years group in the elite category - Kevin Zeitler and Andrew Norwell...

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I am looking for run stopping up the middle were we got our azz hand to us all season long

Big bucks we all know
Fairley, Nick
vs
Johnathan Hankins
or
I want to point out a cheaper option that might be good up and comer to keep an eye on. Rush defense was never an issue it was pass rush and he seems to be catching on.
Lawrence Guy, DE/DT, Ravens 26/ 6'4' / 305 / Rd. 7 (233) / GB
draft
Dalvin Tomlinson DT Alabama 6022 305 5.14 #54 rSr

Now talk to me first about anchoring the edge and gap discipline and collapsing the pockets to create pressure.

this is the ability that is making me warm up to a LB that maybe better as a 43 DE
T.J. Watt OLB/DE/TE Wisconsin 6042 243 4.65 #42 rJr

Taco Charlton DE Michigan 6052 272 4.87 #33 Sr,
Solomon Thomas SDE Stanford 6021 275 4.84 #90 rSo
Trey Hendrickson DE Florida Atlantic 6036 270 4.82 #9 Sr
Derek Rivers DE Youngstown St 6042 255 4.79 #11
Keionta Davis, DE, Chattanooga 6030 274 4.86 #93 rSr
Daeshon Hall, DE, Texas A&M 6052 260 4.78 #10 Sr
Isaac Rochell DE/DT ND 6031 290 4.86 #90 Sr

Next about the glory of sacks.
Takkarist McKinley DE UCLA 6021 258 4.62 #98 Sr
Carl Lawson DE Auburn 6015 253 4.67 #4.67 rJr
Deatrich Wise DE Arkansas 6045 271 4.84 #48 rSr

one I do not feel comfortable totally pegging as one or the other is
Jordan Willis WDE/OLB Kansas St 6041 250 4.67 #75 Sr
i question his motor/desire more than anything else.

Keionta Davis, DE, Chattanooga 6030 274 4.86 #93 rSr
HGT 6030
WGT 274
HAND 9
ARM 33 1/8
WING 80 1/2
I am really starting like for my small school sleeper day 3. might not be a high-end athlete but I love his motor. Never stops

another is
Isaac Rochell DE/DT ND 6031 290 4.86 #90 Sr
HGT 6043
WGT 282
HAND 10
ARM 33 1/4
WING 79
unappreciated run-stopper and a disciplined pocket collapser

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I think Zeitler is also going to get max money. Warford is a cheaper, albeit more speculative option.
Oh, and Bushrod is out there waiting for a phone call

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Updated [again] my favorite targets for the Saints' Top Ten Free Agent Targets:

1. RG Kevin Zeitler, 27 (The Big Fish)

2. LG Andrew Norwell, 25 (RFA)

3. DE Calais Campbell, 30

4. DE Jason Pierre-Paul, 28 (Red Flag)

5. CB Trumaine Johnson, 27

6. QB Brian Hoyer, 31

7. QB Nick Foles, 28

8. CB Sterling Moore, 26

9. WR Willie Snead, 24 (RFA)

10. FB John Kuhn, 34 (signed) :bng:

Note(s): It's looking more and more like JPP may be in play for the Saints; I'd prefer Campbell, but he's 30, but could put us over the hump...

Dropped Fairley as I don't see a spot for him at the contract he earned this past season; some guys are 1`year contract guys...

Disclaimer: Again, don't expect to sign all from the list, but three or four of the top 6 would be great...

Signing three of the top five and our key returning FAs would have me :dance:...

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I would add Brandon Williams to that list. Consistantly needs double teamed and an much better than average run stuffer.

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Snead is an ERFA, meaning he cannot go on his own. Still, a long term deal would be good.
JPP is going to get a sh**load from someone...maybe us? 14 mill at age 28 = not good numbers
I'd love to get a guard on March 7, Day one.

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Brandon Williams i would love but i do not see him leaving and if he does wat too too much money

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OG Warford
NT Brandon Williams

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Brandon Williams, Zietler, Nick Fairley, Melvin Ingram, JPP (even with a three finger discount ;)) etc are all potentially looking at big pay days in the open market for 2017. It is what it is.

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Very true, but if I'm going to fix this D and I mean actually "fix" this D, I spend on a monster like Williams, not Fairley, not Ingram, not JPP, but a monster to anchor that line for years. Then we could draft an OLB and DE, they are fairly deep this draft. Zeiter would look good on the O I must say. It's kind of slim in the O-line draft but there are some good FA availible.

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Very true... and we can't be afraid to spend big just because of the Byrd signing not working out. Look at what the Giants did last offseason and the huge improvement they made defensively. Gotta go for it.

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That might work if Fairley lands elsewhere.

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I'd rather spend our draft picks for a younger, faster, stronger defense and spend our cap money on our quarterback and offensive line...

It's alot easier this year to fix the o-line in free agency than the defense anyways...

And many here are forgetting that Tyeler Davison played most of the season injured with a torn pectoral...

We've got two really good UDRFAs plus a draft to get a quality rotational player to play the NT with Davison...

We need a DE to bookend with Cam Jordan who has both the length and strength to set the edge and allow Rankins and Ony to get after it on the inside...

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If Fairley is over 5mil per annum, he's gone...

And he's easily performed for those numbers in this year's market...

Here's the thing - We've got a logjam now at interior DL with Rankins, Davison, Ony and you're going to commit those kind of numbers to a rotational DL when you've got a glaring need at DE to go opposite Cam Jordan?

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Patterson would certainly solve our kick returner problem.

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That problem runs much deeper than just whoever's catching the ball. Can Banta solve our kick returner problem?

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Patterson? hmmm former first-round pick that is pretty much a bust. For a "reasonable price" of 4 to 6 million? pass

Instead give me one of these guys instead, all should go in the same price range

Rick Wagner RT Ravens
A.J. Klein MLB Carolina
Micah Hyde FS/SS Green Bay
Lawrence Guy, DE/DT, Ravens
Justin Hunter WR Buffalo Bills
Rex Burkhead RB Bengals

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Offense will always come first. Last year's biggest need: defense, defense, defense. Our big FA signing: TE. Payton loves his toys.

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PFT on Hagan's guy...

A.J. Klein likely to leave Carolina for starting opportunity | ProFootballTalk

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Versatile & has play making ability. Micah did a lot of good things last year on a decimated GB defense. We must acquire these type players via FA and/or draft in order to compete in 2017.