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Let's not go nuts on our rbs we don't need someone who has grown long in the tooth that costs us dearly in fail ala spiller let's get back to drafting or sign a young undrafted potential like we used to do for a dime and save bucks
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No Way we don't add some people to the defensive line this offseason...
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Free Agency DEFENSE DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 77 - D.J. Pettway, 76 - Mitchell Loewen DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins , 93 - David Onyemata NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry, 92 - Justin Zimmer DE (2) 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 58 - Obum Gwacham And as I mentioned on another thread, I don't see Kikaha playing DE as he's undersized... |
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Payton's got an itch at long snapper...:saintsfan:
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Free Agency OFFENSE QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 7 - Luke McCown, 18 - Garrett Grayson FB (0) RB (3) 22 - Mark Ingram, 36 - Daniel Lasco, 23 - Marcus Murphy WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 11 - Corey Fuller, 00 - Rashad Lawrence LT (1) 72 - Terron Armstead LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, LG 73 - John Fullington C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen RG (2) 65 - Senio Kelemete, 78 - Landon Turner RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief, 67 - Avery Young TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 85 - Jake Stoneburner, 45 - Garrett Griffin SR (3) 10 - Brandin Cooks, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, WR 81 - Jordan Williams DEFENSE DE (3) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 77 - D.J. Pettway, 76 - Mitchell Loewen DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins , 93 - David Onyemata NT (3) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry, 92 - Justin Zimmer DE (2) 58 - Obum Gwacham, 61 - Royce LeFrance SLB (2) 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 42 - Travis Feeney MLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 52 - Craig Robertson, 00 - Adam Bighill WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar LCB (4) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 46 - Ken Crawley, 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 43 - Jimmy Pruitt FS (3) 31 - Jairus Byrd, 48 - Vonn Bell, 35 - Robenson Therezie SS (3) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 30 - Erik Harris, 00 - Forrest Hightower RCB (4) 25 - P.J. Williams, 27 - Damian Swann, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 00 - Anthony Gaitor KICKING K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher, 00 - Jesse Schmitt 2017 FREE AGENTS FB 29 - John Kuhn (UFA) RB 34 - Tim Hightower (UFA) RB 38 - Travaris Cadet (UFA) WR 83 - Willie Snead (RFA) WR 16 - Brandon Coleman (ERFA) WR 19 - Jake Lampmann (ERFA) LG 68 - Tim Lelito (UFA) RG 73- Jahri Evans (UFA) RT 76 - Tony Hills (UFA) TE 86 - John Phillips (UFA) DE 55 - Darryl Tapp (UFA) DT 90 - Nick Fairley (UFA) DE 99 - Paul Kruger (UFA) DE 91 - Kasim Edebali (RFA) LB 97 - Sam Barrington (UFA) LB 57 - Jason Trusnik (UFA) LB 56 - Mike Mauti (UFA) CB 28 - B.W. Webb (UFA) CB 24 - Sterling Moore (UFA) CB 37 - Chris Banjo (UFA) CB 24 - Kyle Wilson (UFA) SS 41 - Roman Harper (UFA) FS 49 - Shiloh Keo (UFA) FS 33 - Jamarca Sanford (UFA) Key: Projected Starter Free Agent (UFA) – Unrestricted Free Agent; (RFA) – Restricted Free Agent; (ERFA) – Exclusive Rights Free Agent |
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Jake Lampmann ... before the injury, I thought he was good on special teams.
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What are your thoughts on Cordelle Patterson as a FA acquisition to the Saints? He is a dangerous kickoff return guy and can also play WR. |
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Everybody loves fullback news right?! |
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a linebacker based on his closing speed, power through contact and athleticism T.J. Watt OLB Wisconsin 6’5” 245 lbs Might be a better DE than OLB Ryan Anderson OLB Alabama 6021 253 4.67 #22 rJr Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston 6021 240 4.67 #81 Sr Jimmy Gilbert OLB Colorado 6036 225 4.74 #98 Sr He is one of my favs late in the draft. lead the nation in sacks before injury and he is Raw Langi Harvey ILB/SLB/FB BYU 6015 252 4.77 #21 rSr Does not get the respect he deserves. another solid raw prospect |
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Free agency is gonna be real interesting...Trades? Probably coming... |
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Tripp poses some scenarios...
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OT Armstead/Peat - we've got two legitimate left tackles, somethings gotta give and Peat still has a couple of years on his rookie contract and Armstead has an attractive contract for a LT... WR Cooks...would hate to see this as I love the complement of our WR corps, plus the fact we've got a first and third invested; it would be a real big mistake. But there's a little doubt in the back of my mind after that public airing of grievance re:touches... LB Kikaha/Anthony...Anthony is a terrific athlete and really believe he can be a great Mike with Coach Nolan coming on board; just don't see Kikaha being a fit for what D.A. is trying to do as Hau'oli is a liability in coverage and too small to hold the edge at DE... |
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Cooks fifth-year option on Cooks for 2018 at about $8 million? better get him under contract instead. The saints better draft players to free him up more also.
Anthony is still my gut trade bait Cook is possible but I am not buying into it Armstead due to injuries year after year is one to knock around but Peat I am not sold on at LT but the saints always do silly things with the OL year in and year out. Kikaha would fetch a bag of non magic beans IMO injuries yet again. |
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Only way I'd trade Anthony, we get Foster in first round, then you move him to an AFC team... Peat not a LT? Many of those games he played with only one game of practice at LT... Kikaha's value is down; he should have been traded last year when we knew he wasn't an obvious fit... |
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Kuhn's Back in Black (& Gold)...:saintsfan:
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Free Agency OFFENSE QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 7 - Luke McCown, 18 - Garrett Grayson FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn RB (3) 22 - Mark Ingram, 36 - Daniel Lasco, 23 - Marcus Murphy WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 11 - Corey Fuller, 00 - Rashad Lawrence LT (1) 72 - Terron Armstead LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, LG 73 - John Fullington C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen RG (2) 65 - Senio Kelemete, 78 - Landon Turner RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief, 67 - Avery Young TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 85 - Jake Stoneburner, 45 - Garrett Griffin SR (3) 10 - Brandin Cooks, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, WR 81 - Jordan Williams DEFENSE DE (3) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 77 - D.J. Pettway, 76 - Mitchell Loewen DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins , 93 - David Onyemata NT (3) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry, 92 - Justin Zimmer DE (2) 58 - Obum Gwacham, 61 - Royce LeFrance SLB (2) 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 42 - Travis Feeney MLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 52 - Craig Robertson, 00 - Adam Bighill WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar LCB (4) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 46 - Ken Crawley, 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 43 - Jimmy Pruitt FS (3) 31 - Jairus Byrd, 48 - Vonn Bell, 35 - Robenson Therezie SS (3) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 30 - Erik Harris, 00 - Forrest Hightower RCB (4) 25 - P.J. Williams, 27 - Damian Swann, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 00 - Anthony Gaitor KICKING K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher, 00 - Jesse Schmitt 2017 FREE AGENTS FB 29 - John Kuhn (UFA) RB 34 - Tim Hightower (UFA) RB 38 - Travaris Cadet (UFA) WR 83 - Willie Snead (RFA) WR 16 - Brandon Coleman (ERFA) WR 19 - Jake Lampmann (ERFA) LG 68 - Tim Lelito (UFA) RG 73- Jahri Evans (UFA) RT 76 - Tony Hills (UFA) TE 86 - John Phillips (UFA) DE 55 - Darryl Tapp (UFA) DT 90 - Nick Fairley (UFA) DE 99 - Paul Kruger (UFA) DE 91 - Kasim Edebali (RFA) LB 97 - Sam Barrington (UFA) LB 57 - Jason Trusnik (UFA) LB 56 - Mike Mauti (UFA) CB 28 - B.W. Webb (UFA) CB 24 - Sterling Moore (UFA) CB 37 - Chris Banjo (UFA) CB 24 - Kyle Wilson (UFA) SS 41 - Roman Harper (UFA) FS 49 - Shiloh Keo (UFA) FS 33 - Jamarca Sanford (UFA) Key: Projected Starter Free Agent (UFA) – Unrestricted Free Agent; (RFA) – Restricted Free Agent; (ERFA) – Exclusive Rights Free Agent |
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Yeah, well that's one less thing to distract us from getting the O-line and D-line finished...
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Unlike some teams, the Pats value draft picks and build through the draft and it seems to translate to consistent success... The Pats keep their defense young, rarely re-signing vets which translates to younger, faster, stronger and better... Really think everyone needs to calm down about Stephone Anthony and let Mike Nolan do his thing... The linebacker I have concerns about are Hau'oli Kikaha; not just injuries, but his poor fit into Allen's scheme... I'd start ringing 3-4 teams and gauge his market to see if he could be moved... |
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32 for Anthony and 43 Pats would have to kick in an additional pick or picks. I would think one of those weighted pick for next years draft, based on performance. Pats do not play sit the player because of a pick game like so many other teams do. I really do not want to see him go nor do I believe he will |
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I'd be surprised if the Saints FO plan to move (trade) Stephone.
When he came out of Clemson they labeled him a great run defender, but a liability in coverage. The same still holds true at the elite level of football, which means that there has been minimal improvements to his game so far with the Saints. Great players adapt and good players fit roles on certain schemes. Let Coach Nolan work with the kid before we write him off. |
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Coach Payton will be adding pass rusher(s) this offseason, via FA and/or Draft...
So what we have on roster is not enough (e.g. Kikaha, Gwachum, et al)... |
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It's the 37 year old champ bailey project all over again. |
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The FO should have had cap room to sign true 4-3 DE(s) opposite Cam in last year's FA when DE(s) were available... ANd they shouldn't have traded two picks to move up for Vonn Bell, when they needed picks for their new DL & Byrd under contract... |
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Roster Priorities - Right Guard, Defensive End, Linebacker, Cornerback...:saintsfan:
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Free Agency OFFENSE QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 7 - Luke McCown, 18 - Garrett Grayson FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn RB (3) 22 - Mark Ingram, 36 - Daniel Lasco, 23 - Marcus Murphy WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 11 - Corey Fuller, 00 - Rashad Lawrence LT (1) 72 - Terron Armstead LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, LG 73 - John Fullington C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen RG (2) 65 - Senio Kelemete, 78 - Landon Turner RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief, 67 - Avery Young TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 85 - Jake Stoneburner, 45 - Garrett Griffin SR (3) 10 - Brandin Cooks, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, WR 81 - Jordan Williams DEFENSE DE (3) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 77 - D.J. Pettway, 76 - Mitchell Loewen DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins , 93 - David Onyemata NT (3) 95 - Tyeler Davison , 92 - Justin Zimmer, 96 - Ashaad Mabry DE (2) 58 - Obum Gwacham, 61 - Royce LeFrance SLB (2) 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 42 - Travis Feeney MLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 52 - Craig Robertson, 00 - Adam Bighill WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar LCB (4) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 46 - Ken Crawley, 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 43 - Jimmy Pruitt FS (3) 31 - Jairus Byrd, 48 - Vonn Bell, 35 - Robenson Therezie SS (3) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 30 - Erik Harris, 00 - Forrest Hightower RCB (4) 25 - P.J. Williams, 27 - Damian Swann, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 00 - Anthony Gaitor KICKING K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher, 00 - Jesse Schmitt 2017 FREE AGENTS RB 34 - Tim Hightower (UFA) RB 38 - Travaris Cadet (UFA) WR 83 - Willie Snead (RFA) WR 16 - Brandon Coleman (ERFA) WR 19 - Jake Lampmann (ERFA) LG 68 - Tim Lelito (UFA) RG 73- Jahri Evans (UFA) RT 76 - Tony Hills (UFA) TE 86 - John Phillips (UFA) DE 55 - Darryl Tapp (UFA) DT 90 - Nick Fairley (UFA) DE 99 - Paul Kruger (UFA) DE 91 - Kasim Edebali (RFA) LB 97 - Sam Barrington (UFA) LB 57 - Jason Trusnik (UFA) LB 56 - Mike Mauti (UFA) CB 28 - B.W. Webb (UFA) CB 24 - Sterling Moore (UFA) CB 37 - Chris Banjo (UFA) CB 24 - Kyle Wilson (UFA) SS 41 - Roman Harper (UFA) FS 49 - Shiloh Keo (UFA) FS 33 - Jamarca Sanford (UFA) Key: Projected Starter Free Agent (UFA) – Unrestricted Free Agent; (RFA) – Restricted Free Agent; (ERFA) – Exclusive Rights Free Agent |
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Maybe Sterling Moore hit it off great with the fellas and will stick around another season?
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LCB (2) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 46 - Ken Crawley, 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 43 - Jimmy Pruitt RCB (3) 25 - P.J. Williams, 27 - Damian Swann, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 00 - Anthony Gaitor That's before possibly extending 24 - Sterling Moore, who should be brought back as the nickel... |
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As for Moore, I would re sign him. Solid back up boundary CB and #3. |
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