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Let's not go nuts on our rbs we don't need someone who has grown long in the tooth that costs us dearly in fail ala spiller let's get back to drafting or sign a young undrafted potential like we used to do for a dime and save bucks

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No Way we don't add some people to the defensive line this offseason...

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Free Agency

DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 77 - D.J. Pettway, 76 - Mitchell Loewen

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins , 93 - David Onyemata

NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry, 92 - Justin Zimmer

DE (2) 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 58 - Obum Gwacham

And as I mentioned on another thread, I don't see Kikaha playing DE as he's undersized...

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Payton's got an itch at long snapper...:saintsfan:

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Free Agency

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 7 - Luke McCown, 18 - Garrett Grayson

FB (0)

RB (3) 22 - Mark Ingram, 36 - Daniel Lasco, 23 - Marcus Murphy

WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 11 - Corey Fuller, 00 - Rashad Lawrence

LT (1) 72 - Terron Armstead

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, LG 73 - John Fullington

C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen

RG (2) 65 - Senio Kelemete, 78 - Landon Turner

RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief, 67 - Avery Young

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 85 - Jake Stoneburner, 45 - Garrett Griffin

SR (3) 10 - Brandin Cooks, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, WR 81 - Jordan Williams

DEFENSE

DE (3) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 77 - D.J. Pettway, 76 - Mitchell Loewen

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins , 93 - David Onyemata

NT (3) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry, 92 - Justin Zimmer

DE (2) 58 - Obum Gwacham, 61 - Royce LeFrance

SLB (2) 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 42 - Travis Feeney

MLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 52 - Craig Robertson, 00 - Adam Bighill

WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar

LCB (4) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 46 - Ken Crawley, 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 43 - Jimmy Pruitt

FS (3) 31 - Jairus Byrd, 48 - Vonn Bell, 35 - Robenson Therezie

SS (3) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 30 - Erik Harris, 00 - Forrest Hightower

RCB (4) 25 - P.J. Williams, 27 - Damian Swann, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 00 - Anthony Gaitor

KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher, 00 - Jesse Schmitt

2017 FREE AGENTS

FB 29 - John Kuhn (UFA)
RB 34 - Tim Hightower (UFA)
RB 38 - Travaris Cadet (UFA)
WR 83 - Willie Snead (RFA)
WR 16 - Brandon Coleman (ERFA)
WR 19 - Jake Lampmann (ERFA)
LG 68 - Tim Lelito (UFA)
RG 73- Jahri Evans (UFA)
RT 76 - Tony Hills (UFA)
TE 86 - John Phillips (UFA)
DE 55 - Darryl Tapp (UFA)
DT 90 - Nick Fairley (UFA)
DE 99 - Paul Kruger (UFA)
DE 91 - Kasim Edebali (RFA)
LB 97 - Sam Barrington (UFA)
LB 57 - Jason Trusnik (UFA)
LB 56 - Mike Mauti (UFA)
CB 28 - B.W. Webb (UFA)
CB 24 - Sterling Moore (UFA)
CB 37 - Chris Banjo (UFA)
CB 24 - Kyle Wilson (UFA)
SS 41 - Roman Harper (UFA)
FS 49 - Shiloh Keo (UFA)
FS 33 - Jamarca Sanford (UFA)


Key:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (UFA) – Unrestricted Free Agent; (RFA) – Restricted Free Agent; (ERFA) – Exclusive Rights Free Agent

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Jake Lampmann ... before the injury, I thought he was good on special teams.

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i do not see murphy in black and gold nor tommy lee. i'm not a hater of them at all just payton has had enough of both, i'm limbing this out also if grayson cannot unseat easy money at QB hes out, mccown has to be pushed for extra cash, and grayson needs to find that 3rd round pick wayvoes. then get a seventh rd qb or a back yard bbqer at home for 3rd qb.

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Agreed.

What are your thoughts on Cordelle Patterson as a FA acquisition to the Saints? He is a dangerous kickoff return guy and can also play WR.

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Its not really a position of need but I wouldn't be mad if we got him. The guy is crazy talented.

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I do like the thought of this. We haven't had a good return guy in quite some time that was actually dangerous and can fill in at WR.

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It all depends on DA an his attacking defense scheme. To make it all click on that side of the line you need a solid all around SLB backing the DE up.

a linebacker based on his closing speed, power through contact and athleticism
T.J. Watt OLB Wisconsin 6’5” 245 lbs
Might be a better DE than OLB

Ryan Anderson OLB Alabama 6021 253 4.67 #22 rJr
Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston 6021 240 4.67 #81 Sr

Jimmy Gilbert OLB Colorado 6036 225 4.74 #98 Sr
He is one of my favs late in the draft. lead the nation in sacks before injury and he is Raw

Langi Harvey ILB/SLB/FB BYU 6015 252 4.77 #21 rSr
Does not get the respect he deserves. another solid raw prospect

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I like Watt, really like him alot; but we've got holes on that defensive line that have got to be addressed first; and before that, at right guard...

Free agency is gonna be real interesting...Trades? Probably coming...

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Tripp poses some scenarios...

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Who do you see as potential trade bait candidates in the Big Easy?

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I stick by my post on previous thread and again refer to the only guys with value are...

OT Armstead/Peat - we've got two legitimate left tackles, somethings gotta give and Peat still has a couple of years on his rookie contract and Armstead has an attractive contract for a LT...

WR Cooks...would hate to see this as I love the complement of our WR corps, plus the fact we've got a first and third invested; it would be a real big mistake. But there's a little doubt in the back of my mind after that public airing of grievance re:touches...

LB Kikaha/Anthony...Anthony is a terrific athlete and really believe he can be a great Mike with Coach Nolan coming on board; just don't see Kikaha being a fit for what D.A. is trying to do as Hau'oli is a liability in coverage and too small to hold the edge at DE...

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Cooks fifth-year option on Cooks for 2018 at about $8 million? better get him under contract instead. The saints better draft players to free him up more also.

Anthony is still my gut trade bait

Cook is possible but I am not buying into it

Armstead due to injuries year after year is one to knock around but Peat I am not sold on at LT but the saints always do silly things with the OL year in and year out.

Kikaha would fetch a bag of non magic beans IMO injuries yet again.

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Cooks will likely earn 10 mil per year (believe that's what Colston was getting paid)...

Only way I'd trade Anthony, we get Foster in first round, then you move him to an AFC team...

Peat not a LT? Many of those games he played with only one game of practice at LT...

Kikaha's value is down; he should have been traded last year when we knew he wasn't an obvious fit...

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Kuhn's Back in Black (& Gold)...:saintsfan:

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Free Agency

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 7 - Luke McCown, 18 - Garrett Grayson

FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn

RB (3) 22 - Mark Ingram, 36 - Daniel Lasco, 23 - Marcus Murphy

WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 11 - Corey Fuller, 00 - Rashad Lawrence

LT (1) 72 - Terron Armstead

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, LG 73 - John Fullington

C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen

RG (2) 65 - Senio Kelemete, 78 - Landon Turner

RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief, 67 - Avery Young

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 85 - Jake Stoneburner, 45 - Garrett Griffin

SR (3) 10 - Brandin Cooks, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, WR 81 - Jordan Williams

DEFENSE

DE (3) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 77 - D.J. Pettway, 76 - Mitchell Loewen

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins , 93 - David Onyemata

NT (3) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry, 92 - Justin Zimmer

DE (2) 58 - Obum Gwacham, 61 - Royce LeFrance

SLB (2) 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 42 - Travis Feeney

MLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 52 - Craig Robertson, 00 - Adam Bighill

WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar

LCB (4) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 46 - Ken Crawley, 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 43 - Jimmy Pruitt

FS (3) 31 - Jairus Byrd, 48 - Vonn Bell, 35 - Robenson Therezie

SS (3) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 30 - Erik Harris, 00 - Forrest Hightower

RCB (4) 25 - P.J. Williams, 27 - Damian Swann, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 00 - Anthony Gaitor

KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher, 00 - Jesse Schmitt

2017 FREE AGENTS

FB 29 - John Kuhn (UFA)
RB 34 - Tim Hightower (UFA)
RB 38 - Travaris Cadet (UFA)
WR 83 - Willie Snead (RFA)
WR 16 - Brandon Coleman (ERFA)
WR 19 - Jake Lampmann (ERFA)
LG 68 - Tim Lelito (UFA)
RG 73- Jahri Evans (UFA)
RT 76 - Tony Hills (UFA)
TE 86 - John Phillips (UFA)
DE 55 - Darryl Tapp (UFA)
DT 90 - Nick Fairley (UFA)
DE 99 - Paul Kruger (UFA)
DE 91 - Kasim Edebali (RFA)
LB 97 - Sam Barrington (UFA)
LB 57 - Jason Trusnik (UFA)
LB 56 - Mike Mauti (UFA)
CB 28 - B.W. Webb (UFA)
CB 24 - Sterling Moore (UFA)
CB 37 - Chris Banjo (UFA)
CB 24 - Kyle Wilson (UFA)
SS 41 - Roman Harper (UFA)
FS 49 - Shiloh Keo (UFA)
FS 33 - Jamarca Sanford (UFA)


Key:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (UFA) – Unrestricted Free Agent; (RFA) – Restricted Free Agent; (ERFA) – Exclusive Rights Free Agent

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Yeah, well that's one less thing to distract us from getting the O-line and D-line finished...

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No one is trading for Anthony. Not even Cleveland.

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See I disagree. If the saints stuck with a 34 we would not be talking about him as trade bait.

If Hightower plays a stupid game in FA I would not be surprised yo see New England make a play for him in a trade involving the 32nd in some kind of package deal.

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NE would make him a stud in a 3-4, and to think we were that close to put the finishing touches on a 3-4 is ludicouis. All we had to do is hire the right coaches and let them bring in their own staff but Payton likes pulling the strings on his puppets to much to let that happen. These are the reasons our D continues to be at or near the bottom of the barrel each year. Going to be interesting how this D does under Allen this season?

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Hagan, you can't really think New England would give a first for Anthony now; they got Moss for a fourth rounder!!!

Unlike some teams, the Pats value draft picks and build through the draft and it seems to translate to consistent success...

The Pats keep their defense young, rarely re-signing vets which translates to younger, faster, stronger and better...

Really think everyone needs to calm down about Stephone Anthony and let Mike Nolan do his thing...

The linebacker I have concerns about are Hau'oli Kikaha; not just injuries, but his poor fit into Allen's scheme...

I'd start ringing 3-4 teams and gauge his market to see if he could be moved...

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"some kind of package deal."

32 for Anthony and 43

Pats would have to kick in an additional pick or picks.

I would think one of those weighted pick for next years draft, based on performance. Pats do not play sit the player because of a pick game like so many other teams do.

I really do not want to see him go nor do I believe he will

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I'd be surprised if the Saints FO plan to move (trade) Stephone.

When he came out of Clemson they labeled him a great run defender, but a liability in coverage. The same still holds true at the elite level of football, which means that there has been minimal improvements to his game so far with the Saints. Great players adapt and good players fit roles on certain schemes.

Let Coach Nolan work with the kid before we write him off.

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This probably deserves it's on thread ...

http://www.canalstreetchronicles.com...16-year-review

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This is the perfect article!! NT, stud OLB needed. Anthony could then easily shore up the middle.

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Coach Payton will be adding pass rusher(s) this offseason, via FA and/or Draft...

So what we have on roster is not enough (e.g. Kikaha, Gwachum, et al)...

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I'm astounded Payton thought having Gwacham, a project trying to bulk up and a guy that's been injured 3 out of 5 years playing football (Kikaha) as the only two players vying for a starting spot would work!

It's the 37 year old champ bailey project all over again.

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Well, in Coach Payton's defense, I could see how they'd want to try Kikaha as a rush linebacker switching to the 4-3...

The FO should have had cap room to sign true 4-3 DE(s) opposite Cam in last year's FA when DE(s) were available...

ANd they shouldn't have traded two picks to move up for Vonn Bell, when they needed picks for their new DL & Byrd under contract...

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Roster Priorities - Right Guard, Defensive End, Linebacker, Cornerback...:saintsfan:

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Free Agency

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 7 - Luke McCown, 18 - Garrett Grayson

FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn

RB (3) 22 - Mark Ingram, 36 - Daniel Lasco, 23 - Marcus Murphy

WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 11 - Corey Fuller, 00 - Rashad Lawrence

LT (1) 72 - Terron Armstead

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, LG 73 - John Fullington

C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen

RG (2) 65 - Senio Kelemete, 78 - Landon Turner

RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief, 67 - Avery Young

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 85 - Jake Stoneburner, 45 - Garrett Griffin

SR (3) 10 - Brandin Cooks, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, WR 81 - Jordan Williams

DEFENSE

DE (3) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 77 - D.J. Pettway, 76 - Mitchell Loewen

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins , 93 - David Onyemata

NT (3) 95 - Tyeler Davison , 92 - Justin Zimmer, 96 - Ashaad Mabry

DE (2) 58 - Obum Gwacham, 61 - Royce LeFrance

SLB (2) 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 42 - Travis Feeney

MLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 52 - Craig Robertson, 00 - Adam Bighill

WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar

LCB (4) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 46 - Ken Crawley, 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 43 - Jimmy Pruitt

FS (3) 31 - Jairus Byrd, 48 - Vonn Bell, 35 - Robenson Therezie

SS (3) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 30 - Erik Harris, 00 - Forrest Hightower

RCB (4) 25 - P.J. Williams, 27 - Damian Swann, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 00 - Anthony Gaitor

KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher, 00 - Jesse Schmitt

2017 FREE AGENTS

RB 34 - Tim Hightower (UFA)
RB 38 - Travaris Cadet (UFA)
WR 83 - Willie Snead (RFA)
WR 16 - Brandon Coleman (ERFA)
WR 19 - Jake Lampmann (ERFA)
LG 68 - Tim Lelito (UFA)
RG 73- Jahri Evans (UFA)
RT 76 - Tony Hills (UFA)
TE 86 - John Phillips (UFA)
DE 55 - Darryl Tapp (UFA)
DT 90 - Nick Fairley (UFA)
DE 99 - Paul Kruger (UFA)
DE 91 - Kasim Edebali (RFA)
LB 97 - Sam Barrington (UFA)
LB 57 - Jason Trusnik (UFA)
LB 56 - Mike Mauti (UFA)
CB 28 - B.W. Webb (UFA)
CB 24 - Sterling Moore (UFA)
CB 37 - Chris Banjo (UFA)
CB 24 - Kyle Wilson (UFA)
SS 41 - Roman Harper (UFA)
FS 49 - Shiloh Keo (UFA)
FS 33 - Jamarca Sanford (UFA)


Key:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (UFA) – Unrestricted Free Agent; (RFA) – Restricted Free Agent; (ERFA) – Exclusive Rights Free Agent

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Maybe Sterling Moore hit it off great with the fellas and will stick around another season?

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Hmmm..........Payton just happened to mention that this was a draft deep at the safety position. Just Sayin' :p

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No doubt, but even if we signed no CBs or drafted no CBs we'd look like this at the position:

LCB (2) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 46 - Ken Crawley, 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 43 - Jimmy Pruitt

RCB (3) 25 - P.J. Williams, 27 - Damian Swann, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 00 - Anthony Gaitor

That's before possibly extending 24 - Sterling Moore, who should be brought back as the nickel...

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Still huge question marks ... these guys must find a way to stay healthy.

As for Moore, I would re sign him. Solid back up boundary CB and #3.

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And Moore has one of the best career rating of a DB vs that Julio kid...