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That whole situation sure seemed weird...

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Well, he's not up against the Scout team any longer...

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What our offense "skill" positions could look like, possible post-trade of Cooks... :rolleyes:

SAINTS DEPTH CHART

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 7 - Luke McCown, 18 - Garrett Grayson

FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn

RB (5) 22 - Mark Ingram, 36 - Daniel Lasco, 23 - Marcus Murphy

WR (2) 13 - Michael Thomas, 11 - Corey Fuller, 00 - Rashad Lawrence

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 85 - Jake Stoneburner, 45 - Garrett Griffin

SR (3) 83 - Willie Snead, IV, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, WR 81 - Jordan Williams

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Our offense IMO will be good with or without Cooks. Any trade for Cooks needs to involve a defensive player and our 1st and 3rd this year or 1st 4th and 3rd next year.

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Eve of 2017 NFL Free Agency

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Free Agency

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 7 - Luke McCown, 18 - Garrett Grayson

FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn

RB (5) 22 - Mark Ingram, 36 - Daniel Lasco, 23 - Marcus Murphy

WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 11 - Corey Fuller, 00 - Rashad Lawrence

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, LG 73 - John Fullington

C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen

RG (2) 65 - Senio Kelemete, 78 - Landon Turner

RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 85 - Jake Stoneburner, 45 - Garrett Griffin

SR (2) 10 - Brandin Cooks, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, WR 81 - Jordan Williams

DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 77 - D.J. Pettway, 76 - Mitchell Loewen

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins , 93 - David Onyemata

NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison , 92 - Justin Zimmer, 96 - Ashaad Mabry

DE (2) 58 - Obum Gwacham, 61 - Royce LeFrance

SLB (2) 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 42 - Travis Feeney

MLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 52 - Craig Robertson, 00 - Adam Bighill

WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar

LCB (2) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 46 - Ken Crawley, 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 43 - Jimmy Pruitt

FS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 30 - Erik Harris, 35 - Robenson Therezie

SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 00 - Forrest Hightower

RCB (3) 25 - P.J. Williams, 27 - Damian Swann, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 00 - Anthony Gaitor

KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher, 00 - Jesse Schmitt

2017 FREE AGENTS

RB 34 - Tim Hightower (UFA)
RB 38 - Travaris Cadet (UFA)
WR 83 - Willie Snead (RFA)
WR 16 - Brandon Coleman (ERFA)
WR 19 - Jake Lampmann (ERFA)
LG 68 - Tim Lelito (UFA)
RG 73- Jahri Evans (UFA)
RT 76 - Tony Hills (UFA)
TE 86 - John Phillips (UFA)
DE 55 - Darryl Tapp (UFA)
DT 90 - Nick Fairley (UFA)
DE 99 - Paul Kruger (UFA)
DE 91 - Kasim Edebali (RFA)
LB 97 - Sam Barrington (UFA)
LB 57 - Jason Trusnik (UFA)
LB 56 - Mike Mauti (UFA)
CB 28 - B.W. Webb (UFA)
CB 24 - Sterling Moore (UFA)
CB 37 - Chris Banjo (UFA)
CB 24 - Kyle Wilson (UFA)
SS 41 - Roman Harper (UFA)
FS 49 - Shiloh Keo (UFA)
FS 33 - Jamarca Sanford (UFA)


Key:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (UFA) – Unrestricted Free Agent; (RFA) – Restricted Free Agent; (ERFA) – Exclusive Rights Free Agent

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Willie Snead, Kasim Edebali...

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2017 NFL Free Agency - Legal Tampering Period

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Free Agency

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 7 - Luke McCown, 18 - Garrett Grayson

FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn

RB (5) 22 - Mark Ingram, 36 - Daniel Lasco, 23 - Marcus Murphy

WR (3) 10 - Brandin Cooks, 13 - Michael Thomas, 11 - Corey Fuller, 16 - Brandon Coleman

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, LG 73 - John Fullington

C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen

RG (2) 65 - Senio Kelemete, 78 - Landon Turner

RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 85 - Jake Stoneburner, 45 - Garrett Griffin

SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, WR 81 - Jordan Williams, 00 - Rashad Lawrence

DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 77 - D.J. Pettway, 76 - Mitchell Loewen

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins , 93 - David Onyemata

NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison , 92 - Justin Zimmer, 96 - Ashaad Mabry

DE (2) 58 - Obum Gwacham, 61 - Royce LeFrance

SLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 42 - Travis Feeney

MLB (2) 52 - Craig Robertson, 00 - Adam Bighill

WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar

LCB (2) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 46 - Ken Crawley, 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 43 - Jimmy Pruitt

FS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 30 - Erik Harris, 49 - Shiloh Keo, 35 - Robenson Therezie

SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 37 - Chris Banjo, 00 - Forrest Hightower

RCB (3) 25 - P.J. Williams, 27 - Damian Swann, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 00 - Anthony Gaitor

KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher, 00 - Jesse Schmitt

2017 FREE AGENTS

RB 34 - Tim Hightower (UFA)
RB 38 - Travaris Cadet (UFA)
WR 19 - Jake Lampmann (ERFA)
LG 68 - Tim Lelito (UFA)
RG 73- Jahri Evans (UFA)
RT 76 - Tony Hills (UFA)
TE 86 - John Phillips (UFA)
DE 55 - Darryl Tapp (UFA)
DT 90 - Nick Fairley (UFA)
DE 99 - Paul Kruger (UFA)
DE 91 - Kasim Edebali (RFA)
LB 97 - Sam Barrington (UFA)
LB 57 - Jason Trusnik (UFA)
LB 56 - Mike Mauti (UFA)
CB 28 - B.W. Webb (UFA)
CB 24 - Sterling Moore (UFA)
CB 24 - Kyle Wilson (UFA)
SS 41 - Roman Harper (UFA)
FS 33 - Jamarca Sanford (UFA)


Key:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (UFA) – Unrestricted Free Agent; (RFA) – Restricted Free Agent; (ERFA) – Exclusive Rights Free Agent

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2017 NFL Free Agency - Opening Day

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Free Agency

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 7 - Luke McCown, 18 - Garrett Grayson

FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn

RB (5) 22 - Mark Ingram, 36 - Daniel Lasco, 23 - Marcus Murphy

WR (3) 10 - Brandin Cooks, 13 - Michael Thomas, 11 - Corey Fuller, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 19 - Ted Ginn

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, LG 73 - John Fullington

C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 65 - Senio Kelemete, 78 - Landon Turner

RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 85 - Jake Stoneburner, 45 - Garrett Griffin

SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, 81 - Jordan Williams, 00 - Rashad Lawrence

DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 77 - D.J. Pettway, 76 - Mitchell Loewen

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata, 92 - Justin Zimmer

NT (2) 90 - Nick Fairley, 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry

DE (2) 58 - Obum Gwacham, 61 - Royce LeFrance

SLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 42 - Travis Feeney

MLB (2) 58 - A.J. Klein, 52 - Craig Robertson, 00 - Adam Bighill

WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar

LCB (2) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 46 - Ken Crawley, 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 43 - Jimmy Pruitt

FS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 30 - Erik Harris, 49 - Shiloh Keo, 35 - Robenson Therezie

SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 37 - Chris Banjo, 00 - Forrest Hightower

RCB (3) 25 - P.J. Williams, 27 - Damian Swann, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 00 - Anthony Gaitor

KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher, 00 - Jesse Schmitt


Key:

Projected Starter

Free Agent Addition or Extension

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Captain Obvious' List of Top Roster Needs After First Day of Free Agency:

1) Defensive End - Need a starter and at least one rotational end.

2) Offensive Line - Need Depth, Peat is invaluable as he can move out; Senio can back up interior line and Jack Allen is a marginal reserve center only.

3). Running Back - Ingram and Lasco, that's really it.

4). Tight End - Are we really going to trust Fleener as our starting TE, again?

5). Wide Receiver - Cooks hasn't left the building, yet; but it could get thin real fast.

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DE looks pathetic right now.

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On another thread, I commented that maybe Ony can kick out if one of the futures Zimmer, Mabry can step up...

But even then, we're still down two defensive ends...

Wouldn't be surprised if we took 3 DEs in the draft...

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2017 NFL Free Agency - Post Trade

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Free Agency

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 7 - Luke McCown, 18 - Garrett Grayson

FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn

RB (5) 22 - Mark Ingram, 36 - Daniel Lasco, 23 - Marcus Murphy

WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 11 - Corey Fuller, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 19 - Ted Ginn, 00 - Rashad Lawrence

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, LG 73 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner

C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 65 - Senio Kelemete

RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 85 - Jake Stoneburner, 45 - Garrett Griffin

SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, 81 - Jordan Williams

DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 77 - D.J. Pettway, 76 - Mitchell Loewen

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata, 92 - Justin Zimmer

NT (2) 90 - Nick Fairley, 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry

DE (2) 58 - Obum Gwacham, 61 - Royce LeFrance

SLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 42 - Travis Feeney

MLB (2) 58 - A.J. Klein, 52 - Craig Robertson, 00 - Adam Bighill

WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar

LCB (2) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 46 - Ken Crawley, 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 43 - Jimmy Pruitt

FS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 30 - Erik Harris, 49 - Shiloh Keo, 35 - Robenson Therezie

SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 37 - Chris Banjo, 00 - Forrest Hightower

RCB (3) 25 - P.J. Williams, 27 - Damian Swann, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 00 - Anthony Gaitor

KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher, 00 - Jesse Schmitt


Key:

Projected Starter

Free Agent Addition or Extension

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DE baby. Let's go.

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You still giving up on Kikaha at DE, JP, even on a rotational basis? I still think he has the talent to have more of an impact than being slotted as a backup Sam.

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No Guido, not completely; maybe given up as a DE, but not as a linebacker...

You're definitely right that he can be a rush backer on 3rd downs, but defense will know what's coming if that's all he does...

Can see him rotating with Anthony, which will give him different looks to opposing offenses, thereby giving opponents pause as to what he'll do pre-snap...

Just don't believe he has the base, legs in a 4-3 to set the edge as a DE...

And honestly, I think he'll be limited this season coming back from his third knee operation...

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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2017 Free Agency, Second Week :bng:

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 - Drew Brees, 7 - Luke McCown, 18 - Garrett Grayson

FB (1) 29 - John Kuhn

RB (5) 22 - Mark Ingram, 36 - Daniel Lasco, 23 - Marcus Murphy

WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 11 - Corey Fuller, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 19 - Ted Ginn, 00 - Rashad Lawrence

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, LG 73 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner

C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 65 - Senio Kelemete

RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 85 - Jake Stoneburner, 45 - Garrett Griffin

SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, 81 - Jordan Williams

DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 77 - D.J. Pettway, 76 - Mitchell Loewen

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata, 92 - Justin Zimmer

NT (2) 90 - Nick Fairley, 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry

DE (2) 57 - Alex Okafor, 58 - Obum Gwacham, 61 - Royce LeFrance

SLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha, 42 - Travis Feeney

MLB (2) 58 - A.J. Klein, 52 - Craig Robertson, 00 - Adam Bighill

WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar

LCB (2) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 46 - Ken Crawley, 39 - Taveze Calhoun, 43 - Jimmy Pruitt

FS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 30 - Erik Harris, 49 - Shiloh Keo, 35 - Robenson Therezie

SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 37 - Chris Banjo, 00 - Forrest Hightower

RCB (3) 25 - P.J. Williams, 27 - Damian Swann, 21 - De’Vante Harris, 00 - Anthony Gaitor

KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher, 00 - Jesse Schmitt


Key:

Projected Starter

Free Agent Addition or Extension

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If they could nab Butler for a 3rd(anymore is too much imo as he is a FA next year,they are not paying him). Th front office would be going into the draft in a really good place. Still holes but not having to reach

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They wont make a offer on Thursday imo
They will talk and discuss a future deal before talking to the pats about a trade.

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Lets saw we get Butler with a deal we keep #11. Wow, that opens up a lot of choices for us.

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Ill be pissed if we give up 32 or even the 2nd
He will be a FA in a year and needs to be paid now

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FIFY JP

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coming together but pieces still needed
coming together but pieces still needed
Right now everything rest on Anthony stepping up
Craig Robertson goes to his natural WLB postion.
Dannell Ellerbe goes to 3rd specialist to increase the chance he can play all 16 games
Concussions worries thin out this group quickly. to much talent in the draft not to add some talent here. We can get big faster and more athletic in a heart beat

With not addressing S in FA. S is creep up on the area of concern. I have 4 favs on my draft wish list. 3 are not so over hyped

I can see at least 3 pick for the secondary. i could live with as many as 5 picks in the secondary in this draft.

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Or Ellerbe is cut to free up 3.2ml

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Maybe this is were the reportd Tyus Bowser love comes into play
Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston 6021 240 4.67 #81 Sr

late rounders and UDFA
Langi Harvey ILB/SLB/FB BYU 6015 252 4.77 #21 rSr
Jordan Evans ILB/OLB/SS Oklahoma 6021 232 4.51 #26 Sr
Matt Milano DB/LB Boston College 6002 218 4.59 #28

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We've got some talent on this team...

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I was on PFT and saw and article about Tim Hightower visiting the 49ers, which means he's probably moving on. I'm completely fine with that, but it mentioned how we brought back Cadet. Why? What do they see in Cadet? I'd take a Reggie Bush reunion over keeping Cadet any day of the week. Mickey Loomis. Sean Payton. If you're reading this it's too late.

SIGN REGGIE BUSH

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I think Kikiha will play DE and DE only. He's an EDGE through and through. He wouldn't make a good LB. He's slow and he isn't good in coverage. When he was coming out of the draft all the analysts said he was most comfortable with his hand in the ground, though his best fit would be as a 3-4 EDGE. If he can't contribute as a DE on this roster then I think it's best we cut him now and find somebody who can.

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You're dead on that he's a 3-4 OLB only. If we can get a fourth or fifth for him and ship him to Pittsburgh, Denver, or another 3-4 scheme team, we should...

I'd even consider making him a conditional trade where his trade value would be commensurate with his success with his new team...

But he should be moved, he can't play DE in our 4-3; he doesn't have the legs, knees to hold and set the edge...

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You're probably right. At best he's probably a 3rd down specialist as a DE. DE is going to be so important for us in this draft. We should get tons of pressure up the middle though with Rankins and Fairley. I can't wait to see Rankins in his second year. One more piece and this line could wreak havoc. I love the Okafor signing though. If he's healthy, watch out.

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I really wouldn't want a 2017 Reggie back
Plenty of talent at RB in this draft. I,hoping Cadet is purely an insurance policy