You're Sean Payton

AsylumGuido · 01-05-2017, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Kind of got to disagree about not having 3-4 personel. Anthony, Ellerbe, Davidson, Ediboli, Rankins , Byrd, Bell,Harris and thats just off the top of my head. And players would be lining up to play for the guy. I think it would be fairly easy and rank alot better than we are now. I'm not a betting man but if I were he could get us into the high teen in his first season.

And how do you see them as strictly 3-4 players? So we get rid of Jordan who cna't muddle through in a 3-4? Fairley who is a 4-3? Kikaha who was slated to be a 4-3 DE before the injury? Throw them out? We are now bulit to be a 4-3 with our best players on the front seven. Why change again?

ChrisXVI · 01-05-2017, 10:06 PM

It's all about the LB coach. I feel like the D-Line and secondary are in good hands with Brian Young and Aaron Glenn. We've prayed for a new LB coach for so long. I have no idea who's out there though.

saintsfan1976 · 01-05-2017, 10:16 PM

I like the LB coach from Dolphins

nola_swammi · 01-05-2017, 10:33 PM

I prefer Singletary for linebacker coach but if they want to try Vilma it might work. Is Ken Norton available?

K Major · 01-05-2017, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

I prefer Singletary for linebacker coach but if they want to try Vilma it might work. Is Ken Norton available?

Do you mean Ken Norton Jr? He is the defensive coordinator for the Raiders.

K Major · 01-05-2017, 11:18 PM

Here are a few more notable names:

Jason Tarver - outside LB's 49ers (worked with DAllen in the past)
Bob Babich - LB coach CHARGERS (former coordinator w/Jags)
Mike Mallory - Special Teams Coach JAGUARS (ranked as high as 5th in 2015)
John Pagani - defensive coordinator CHARGERS (solid LB coach)

nola_swammi · 01-06-2017, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Do you mean Ken Norton Jr? He is the defensive coordinator for the Raiders.

Yep, that's who I was referring to. No chance of him taking a demotion.

halloween 65 · 01-06-2017, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

And how do you see them as strictly 3-4 players? So we get rid of Jordan who cna't muddle through in a 3-4? Fairley who is a 4-3? Kikaha who was slated to be a 4-3 DE before the injury? Throw them out? We are now bulit to be a 4-3 with our best players on the front seven. Why change again?

Actually Kiki was drafted by Ryan for a 3-4. I would be careful on a Fairley anyway. Jordan, what would a 4-3 team give for him and Vaccarro? I'm sure Phillips would know what he has and hasn't got. Your talking about having one of the best DC's out there and you wouldn't want him because of a 4-3 scheme and a few players that have under performed? We're young at a lot of positions and developing these players for the future is a must in my opionion so why not get the best out there to make it happen ?

AsylumGuido · 01-06-2017, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Actually Kiki was drafted by Ryan for a 3-4. I would be careful on a Fairley anyway. Jordan, what would a 4-3 team give for him and Vaccarro? I'm sure Phillips would know what he has and hasn't got. Your talking about having one of the best DC's out there and you wouldn't want him because of a 4-3 scheme and a few players that have under performed? We're young at a lot of positions and developing these players for the future is a must in my opionion so why not get the best out there to make it happen ?

Kikaha flourished as a 4-3 DE for Washington. He was only converted to a Jack his senior year. Payton said he was looking forward to Kikaha's move back to a 4-3 DE prior to his injury in preseason. Let's just see what Kikaha can do as a dedicated edge rusher. Jordan is easily the best player on the Saints defense. Why would they ever consider trading him, not to mention NFL trades are extremely rare? The fact is, Dennis Allen is going nowhere and the Saints will continue the conversion to the 4-3 and all other speculation is meaningless.

halloween 65 · 01-06-2017, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Kikaha flourished as a 4-3 DE for Washington. He was only converted to a Jack his senior year. Payton said he was looking forward to Kikaha's move back to a 4-3 DE prior to his injury in preseason. Let's just see what Kikaha can do as a dedicated edge rusher. Jordan is easily the best player on the Saints defense. Why would they ever consider trading him, not to mention NFL trades are extremely rare? The fact is, Dennis Allen is going nowhere and the Saints will continue the conversion to the 4-3 and all other speculation is meaningless.

You may be right about Allen staying which does mean a 4-3 D. Although Jordan is a good player, he is not a dominate player or has ever just taken over a game against solid tackles, my opionion of him is lower than yours. As far as trades go NE does it along with others. Ellerbe for Stills, Graham for Unger, it's not uncommon even for us. It may be meaningless but if we had a shot at getting Phillips or even Bradley we should, those coaches have proven track records. What does Allen have? I think we could and should do better at DC if we can now even more since the good ole boys were sent packing.

01-05-2017, 09:59 PM	#11
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by halloween 65 Kind of got to disagree about not having 3-4 personel. Anthony, Ellerbe, Davidson, Ediboli, Rankins , Byrd, Bell,Harris and thats just off the top of my head. And players would be lining up to play for the guy. I think it would be fairly easy and rank alot better than we are now. I'm not a betting man but if I were he could get us into the high teen in his first season. And how do you see them as strictly 3-4 players? So we get rid of Jordan who cna't muddle through in a 3-4? Fairley who is a 4-3? Kikaha who was slated to be a 4-3 DE before the injury? Throw them out? We are now bulit to be a 4-3 with our best players on the front seven. Why change again?

01-05-2017, 10:06 PM	#12
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: You're Sean Payton It's all about the LB coach. I feel like the D-Line and secondary are in good hands with Brian Young and Aaron Glenn. We've prayed for a new LB coach for so long. I have no idea who's out there though. Barry from MS likes this.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: You're Sean Payton I like the LB coach from Dolphins

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nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: You're Sean Payton I prefer Singletary for linebacker coach but if they want to try Vilma it might work. Is Ken Norton available?

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by nola_swammi I prefer Singletary for linebacker coach but if they want to try Vilma it might work. Is Ken Norton available? Do you mean Ken Norton Jr? He is the defensive coordinator for the Raiders.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: You're Sean Payton Here are a few more notable names: Jason Tarver - outside LB's 49ers (worked with DAllen in the past) Bob Babich - LB coach CHARGERS (former coordinator w/Jags) Mike Mallory - Special Teams Coach JAGUARS (ranked as high as 5th in 2015) John Pagani - defensive coordinator CHARGERS (solid LB coach)

01-06-2017, 01:15 AM	#17
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by K Major Do you mean Ken Norton Jr? He is the defensive coordinator for the Raiders. Yep, that's who I was referring to. No chance of him taking a demotion. K Major likes this.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido And how do you see them as strictly 3-4 players? So we get rid of Jordan who cna't muddle through in a 3-4? Fairley who is a 4-3? Kikaha who was slated to be a 4-3 DE before the injury? Throw them out? We are now bulit to be a 4-3 with our best players on the front seven. Why change again? Actually Kiki was drafted by Ryan for a 3-4. I would be careful on a Fairley anyway. Jordan, what would a 4-3 team give for him and Vaccarro? I'm sure Phillips would know what he has and hasn't got. Your talking about having one of the best DC's out there and you wouldn't want him because of a 4-3 scheme and a few players that have under performed? We're young at a lot of positions and developing these players for the future is a must in my opionion so why not get the best out there to make it happen ?

01-06-2017, 09:12 AM	#19
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by halloween 65 Actually Kiki was drafted by Ryan for a 3-4. I would be careful on a Fairley anyway. Jordan, what would a 4-3 team give for him and Vaccarro? I'm sure Phillips would know what he has and hasn't got. Your talking about having one of the best DC's out there and you wouldn't want him because of a 4-3 scheme and a few players that have under performed? We're young at a lot of positions and developing these players for the future is a must in my opionion so why not get the best out there to make it happen ? Kikaha flourished as a 4-3 DE for Washington. He was only converted to a Jack his senior year. Payton said he was looking forward to Kikaha's move back to a 4-3 DE prior to his injury in preseason. Let's just see what Kikaha can do as a dedicated edge rusher. Jordan is easily the best player on the Saints defense. Why would they ever consider trading him, not to mention NFL trades are extremely rare? The fact is, Dennis Allen is going nowhere and the Saints will continue the conversion to the 4-3 and all other speculation is meaningless.
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01-06-2017, 10:17 AM	#20
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Kikaha flourished as a 4-3 DE for Washington. He was only converted to a Jack his senior year. Payton said he was looking forward to Kikaha's move back to a 4-3 DE prior to his injury in preseason. Let's just see what Kikaha can do as a dedicated edge rusher. Jordan is easily the best player on the Saints defense. Why would they ever consider trading him, not to mention NFL trades are extremely rare? The fact is, Dennis Allen is going nowhere and the Saints will continue the conversion to the 4-3 and all other speculation is meaningless. You may be right about Allen staying which does mean a 4-3 D. Although Jordan is a good player, he is not a dominate player or has ever just taken over a game against solid tackles, my opionion of him is lower than yours. As far as trades go NE does it along with others. Ellerbe for Stills, Graham for Unger, it's not uncommon even for us. It may be meaningless but if we had a shot at getting Phillips or even Bradley we should, those coaches have proven track records. What does Allen have? I think we could and should do better at DC if we can now even more since the good ole boys were sent packing.

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