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Time to call Kevin Greene to interview as linebacker coach
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01-08-2017, 02:19 AM
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If I am SP, or ML, I am on the phone begging Wade Phillips to come to NO, and do whatever he wants to do with the staff.
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01-08-2017, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper
Exactly, Wade seems to have built a top 5 D wherever he lands.
Back in 2011, Houston had a great D with him. Last couple years he made the broncos into a Defense that didnt even need a QB to win the superbowl. If SP is serious about this, it's time to bring wade in and demote Allen to an assistant spot. |
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01-08-2017, 01:40 PM
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I simply don't get this fascination with Wade Phillips. There is no way Denver would voluntarily cut ties with Phillips. They have the perfect set of personnel for his scheme. Why would Phillips ever consider leaving the perfect setup to go to a team with nothing in place to support his style of play? Not only does it not make sense for the Broncos or for Phillips, it makes no sense for the Saints to once again ditch a base defensive scheme that they have spent the past two years populating to once again start over. That would guarantee another two or more years of defensive struggles just due to instability. That is the last thing the Saints need.
If y'all want some sort of outlandish dream of a defensive savior, why not one that wouldn't totally trash what promise the defense has finally began showing? |
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“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill
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01-09-2017, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
So, as DC, the past decade:
2006 San Diego Chargers defense #7 pts #10 yds 2011 Houston Texans defense #4 pts #2 yrds 2012 Houston Texans defense #9 pts #7 yrds 2013 Houston Texans defense #24 pts #7 yrds 2014 Denver Broncos defense #16 pts #3 yrds 2015 Denver Broncos defense #4 pts #1 yrds 2016 Denver Broncos defense #4 pts #4 yrds It's not "fascination". It is that Wade Phillips is a well established DC, with a track record of success with different teams, and as of right now, he's available. Except for 2013, all of the listed defenses would probably have put the Saints in the SB.
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01-09-2017, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper
If y'all want some sort of outlandish dream of a defensive savior, why not one that wouldn't totally trash what promise the defense has finally began showing?[/QUOTE]
I don't want, as you so dramatically put, any sort of "outlandish dream of a defensive savior". Here is the deal: the Saints have Drew Brees for 2 years? 3 years? After Drew is gone, you can kiss those customary 5,000 yd seasons goodbye. Wade Phillips is a known commodity at DC, and as of right now, available. So, all things equal, the question becomes, do you go with what what promise the defense began showing, or with the established commodity?[/QUOTE] Exactly. A proven DC over a ? anyday. I just don't understand the love for an unproven Allen. Payton surely likes his puppets while he's pulling their strings. |
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01-09-2017, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper
If y'all want some sort of outlandish dream of a defensive savior, why not one that wouldn't totally trash what promise the defense has finally began showing?[/QUOTE]
I don't want, as you so dramatically put, any sort of "outlandish dream of a defensive savior". Here is the deal: the Saints have Drew Brees for 2 years? 3 years? After Drew is gone, you can kiss those customary 5,000 yd seasons goodbye. Wade Phillips is a known commodity at DC, and as of right now, available. So, all things equal, the question becomes, do you go with what what promise the defense began showing, or with the established commodity?[/QUOTE] No. You TOTALLY missed my point. Wade Phillips isn't coming to the Saints. He has no reason to come to the Saints. I agree completely that when given enough time and the right mix of players, Phillips can put a very good defense on the field. But getting him is a pipe dream. If there was any shot in hell of his coming to the Saints, Dennis Allen would have been on the same bus out of town as Vitt and the others. The Saints would have just as much of a chance of having Bill Belichick becoming their next DC as Phillips. The "fascination" to which I am referring to is the going on and on about something that has no shot of happening. |
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01-09-2017, 11:26 AM
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Wade's aspirations could be back as a HC with one of the teams. There are a lot of vacancies right now and he may go that route. In my opinion Wade is an outstanding DC but as HC maybe not so much however his record wasn't too bad except for 2010 with the Cowboys.
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01-09-2017, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
However, when someone else says a comment such as this, you tell them they have no clue about what goes in the Saints organisation and therefore we cannot comment on the matter.
How do you know this has no shot of happening? Payton is on the hot seat, he may go for broke in an effort to save his job. |
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01-09-2017, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dizzle88
First of all, you are assuming, with no basis, that Payton is on a hot seat. There is absolutely no indication of this. He was given a five year extension AFTER coming of two years 7-9 records. This past season his offensive was once again #1 in the league, but his defense was decimated. Following the week 16 game, Tom Benson came into Payton's post game conference and announced "great coach, great game". That doesn't sound like a coach "on the hot seat". You are basing everything on the danger of his losing his job. That's nowhere close to happening as long as Tom and/or Gayle owns the team.
Secondly, if Payton had any intention of replacing the current DC he would have let him go at the same time as the other coaches. This is common sense. Thirdly, the Saints have been working on filling out a 4-3 defense since the end of the 2015 season. Would it make any sense to trash all of that work and, once again do exactly what created the 7-9 2014-15 seasons, by starting over from scratch to find the personnel to fit the 3-4 scheme that Wade Phillips uses exclusively? No. That makes no sense whatsoever. |
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