You're Sean Payton

AsylumGuido · 01-09-2017, 12:29 PM

If, and that is a big IF, Wade Phillips does leave Denver, the obvious landing spot would be with the Raiders. The Raiders already have the 3-4 personnel in place, but are apparently very dissatisfied with the way Ken Norton, Jr. has handled the squad.

halloween 65 · 01-09-2017, 12:36 PM

Wade Phillips would do 10x better with the personel we have now than Allen. It's almost funny Payton with his wisdom of DC's wouldn't want the best. I bet our O would love it.

AsylumGuido · 01-09-2017, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Wade Phillips would do 10x better with the personel we have now than Allen. It's almost funny Payton with his wisdom of DC's wouldn't want the best. I bet our O would love it.

An assumption based upon what? Coach Spags has a reputation as one of the best defensive minds in the game today with his 4-3 defenses. Yet, he came into New Orleans with a roster filled with 3-4 personnel and failed miserably. The most likely scenario is that the same would happen with Phillips. Phillips would try to cram the current personnel into his mold. We have experienced this experiment and his was a nightmare. It is not going to happen. Payton isn't that stupid.

dam1953 · 01-09-2017, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

An assumption based upon what? ... Payton isn't that stupid.

Considering the performance of our draft picks, the amount of dead money from cutting players after signing them to nice fat contracts, the number of free agent duds and the revolving door of defensive coordinators.... I, for one, have questioned Payton's sanity on a number of occasions.

dizzle88 · 01-09-2017, 01:04 PM

Whilst I applauded the Jimmy Graham trade because we got Max Unger, it didn't change the fact that we just crippled ourselves financially in the space of a year because Payton had a change of heart.

Granted I think Brees is a better QB since we traded Graham, but from Graham, to Byrd, to Fleener, to CJ Spiller. How many guys are we going to sign for huge contracts that don't deserve it or will just get released/traded and leave a load of dead money on the books.

AsylumGuido · 01-09-2017, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by dam1953

Considering the performance of our draft picks, the amount of dead money from cutting players after signing them to nice fat contracts, the number of free agent duds and the revolving door of defensive coordinators.... I, for one, have questioned Payton's sanity of a number of occasions.

I glad you mentioned dead money. That dead money could have been avoided by simply not cutting those players and keeping them on the roster taking up a needed roster spot while counting MORE toward the cap than the dead money amount. Sometimes it is best to take the hit. You only have 53 roster spots. That is not that many. Not all franchises would do that.

I also agree completely about the defensive coordinators. Some around here must not have a problem with that point as they are wishing that door would take yet another turn. Hopefully Payton has learned that lesson. Just has he has learned from the past draft mistakes. After bringing in Jeff Ireland, the draft results over the past two years have been mush better, don't you agree?

AsylumGuido · 01-09-2017, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Whilst I applauded the Jimmy Graham trade because we got Max Unger, it didn't change the fact that we just crippled ourselves financially in the space of a year because Payton had a change of heart.

Granted I think Brees is a better QB since we traded Graham, but from Graham, to Byrd, to Fleener, to CJ Spiller. How many guys are we going to sign for huge contracts that don't deserve it or will just get released/traded and leave a load of dead money on the books.

That dead money ($41 million) is now off the books. That is history. It has no effect whatsoever with the franchise moving forward. It is irrelevant. The whole point of the thread is about looking to the future.

jeanpierre · 01-09-2017, 01:25 PM

Depending on his interview, his plan, I'd look to Brian Young first for defensive line coach...

I really like the idea of bringing in Mike Singletary as a LBer coach, but would his temperament work under Dennis Allen?

I think it would and his fire and team first mentality would go a long way...

Regarding our kicking game, if Mike Mallory is available, I'd bring him back...

Cheif's Brock Olivo is an assistant on the Chiefs' ST unit, that should interview...

Another guy I'd look to bring in to interview for Special Teams is Marty Biagi who's coached good units at Southern and Notre Dame...

In all likelihood, Kevin O'Dea is already the in-house hire for the kicking game...

dizzle88 · 01-09-2017, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That dead money ($41 million) is now off the books. That is history. It has no effect whatsoever with the franchise moving forward. It is irrelevant. The whole point of the thread is about looking to the future.

Very true it has no bearing moving forward, but it has played a major part in my opinion in the failure of the last 2 seasons especially.

Fair point though, let's hope those failures are behind us.

Tobias-Reiper · 01-09-2017, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No. You TOTALLY missed my point.

Oh, I did not miss your point AT ALL. Goes with the theme.

Wade Phillips isn't coming to the Saints. He has no reason to come to the Saints. I agree completely that when given enough time and the right mix of players, Phillips can put a very good defense on the field. But getting him is a pipe dream. If there was any shot in hell of his coming to the Saints, Dennis Allen would have been on the same bus out of town as Vitt and the others.

As far as everyone knows, Wade Phillips is not under contract. And we don't know what's the train thought in Denver, or how their dealings with Wade, if any, are going. However, we do know what large amounts of cash do.

The Saints would have just as much of a chance of having Bill Belichick becoming their next DC as Phillips.

That a false equivalency. For starters, Phillips is not under contract right now, Belichick is. Belichick has a long history of HC'ing with the Pats, Phillips has DC'd in 2 teams the last 6 years.

The "fascination" to which I am referring to is the going on and on about something that has no shot of happening.

Says you. Again, Phillips is not under contract. He can talk to any team he wants to. We don't know the situation in Denver. Maybe they are eyeing a HC who wants his own staff, DC included... we don't know. Although we know what large amounts of cash can do in such situations.

01-09-2017, 12:29 PM	#41
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: You're Sean Payton If, and that is a big IF, Wade Phillips does leave Denver, the obvious landing spot would be with the Raiders. The Raiders already have the 3-4 personnel in place, but are apparently very dissatisfied with the way Ken Norton, Jr. has handled the squad.

01-09-2017, 12:36 PM	#42
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: You're Sean Payton Wade Phillips would do 10x better with the personel we have now than Allen. It's almost funny Payton with his wisdom of DC's wouldn't want the best. I bet our O would love it. dizzle88 likes this.

01-09-2017, 12:44 PM	#43
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by halloween 65 Wade Phillips would do 10x better with the personel we have now than Allen. It's almost funny Payton with his wisdom of DC's wouldn't want the best. I bet our O would love it. An assumption based upon what? Coach Spags has a reputation as one of the best defensive minds in the game today with his 4-3 defenses. Yet, he came into New Orleans with a roster filled with 3-4 personnel and failed miserably. The most likely scenario is that the same would happen with Phillips. Phillips would try to cram the current personnel into his mold. We have experienced this experiment and his was a nightmare. It is not going to happen. Payton isn't that stupid.

01-09-2017, 12:52 PM	#44
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido An assumption based upon what? ... Payton isn't that stupid. Considering the performance of our draft picks, the amount of dead money from cutting players after signing them to nice fat contracts, the number of free agent duds and the revolving door of defensive coordinators.... I, for one, have questioned Payton's sanity on a number of occasions. dizzle88 and halloween 65 like this.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,359	Re: You're Sean Payton Whilst I applauded the Jimmy Graham trade because we got Max Unger, it didn't change the fact that we just crippled ourselves financially in the space of a year because Payton had a change of heart. Granted I think Brees is a better QB since we traded Graham, but from Graham, to Byrd, to Fleener, to CJ Spiller. How many guys are we going to sign for huge contracts that don't deserve it or will just get released/traded and leave a load of dead money on the books.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by dam1953 Considering the performance of our draft picks, the amount of dead money from cutting players after signing them to nice fat contracts, the number of free agent duds and the revolving door of defensive coordinators.... I, for one, have questioned Payton's sanity of a number of occasions. I glad you mentioned dead money. That dead money could have been avoided by simply not cutting those players and keeping them on the roster taking up a needed roster spot while counting MORE toward the cap than the dead money amount. Sometimes it is best to take the hit. You only have 53 roster spots. That is not that many. Not all franchises would do that. I also agree completely about the defensive coordinators. Some around here must not have a problem with that point as they are wishing that door would take yet another turn. Hopefully Payton has learned that lesson. Just has he has learned from the past draft mistakes. After bringing in Jeff Ireland, the draft results over the past two years have been mush better, don't you agree? dam1953 likes this.
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01-09-2017, 01:16 PM	#47
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by dizzle88 Whilst I applauded the Jimmy Graham trade because we got Max Unger, it didn't change the fact that we just crippled ourselves financially in the space of a year because Payton had a change of heart. Granted I think Brees is a better QB since we traded Graham, but from Graham, to Byrd, to Fleener, to CJ Spiller. How many guys are we going to sign for huge contracts that don't deserve it or will just get released/traded and leave a load of dead money on the books. That dead money ($41 million) is now off the books. That is history. It has no effect whatsoever with the franchise moving forward. It is irrelevant. The whole point of the thread is about looking to the future.

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01-09-2017, 01:32 PM	#49
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,359	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That dead money ($41 million) is now off the books. That is history. It has no effect whatsoever with the franchise moving forward. It is irrelevant. The whole point of the thread is about looking to the future. Very true it has no bearing moving forward, but it has played a major part in my opinion in the failure of the last 2 seasons especially. Fair point though, let's hope those failures are behind us. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. You TOTALLY missed my point. Oh, I did not miss your point AT ALL. Goes with the theme. Wade Phillips isn't coming to the Saints. He has no reason to come to the Saints. I agree completely that when given enough time and the right mix of players, Phillips can put a very good defense on the field. But getting him is a pipe dream. If there was any shot in hell of his coming to the Saints, Dennis Allen would have been on the same bus out of town as Vitt and the others. As far as everyone knows, Wade Phillips is not under contract. And we don't know what's the train thought in Denver, or how their dealings with Wade, if any, are going. However, we do know what large amounts of cash do. The Saints would have just as much of a chance of having Bill Belichick becoming their next DC as Phillips. That a false equivalency. For starters, Phillips is not under contract right now, Belichick is. Belichick has a long history of HC'ing with the Pats, Phillips has DC'd in 2 teams the last 6 years. The "fascination" to which I am referring to is the going on and on about something that has no shot of happening. Says you. Again, Phillips is not under contract. He can talk to any team he wants to. We don't know the situation in Denver. Maybe they are eyeing a HC who wants his own staff, DC included... we don't know. Although we know what large amounts of cash can do in such situations.
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