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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido LOL!! "easily replaced in a trade" Where did you get that idea? Trading is extremely difficult in the NFL when dealing with player salaries and that is IF you can even find a willing trade partner ...
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01-09-2017, 06:28 PM | #61 |
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Re: You're Sean Payton
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
No, it's more like you always saying we don't have the people to run a 3-4 when we do and never answering the question to justify your post on this particular subject. I see your better with the cap numbers than your judgement of players and schemes and that's not fantasy.
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01-09-2017, 06:43 PM | #62 |
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Re: You're Sean Payton
Originally Posted by halloween 65
No, you are assuming that players can easily slide into the quite different duties of the 3-4 with no problem. Yes, there is a handful of players that have played in a 3-4, but our better players either haven't, or have shown that they struggle when they attempted the scheme. Your answer, get rid of those better players and plug everyone else in. And you base it all upon Wade Phillips being able to pull this off starting day one.
Well, there isn't going to be a Wade Phillips so it ain't going to happen, Brother. We won't have the chance to see if it is yet anther total disaster due to once again changing defensive schemes in mid-step or a miraculous transformation with our leftover players and whomever else we can scrape together to field a squad for King Phillips. |
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01-09-2017, 07:13 PM | #63 |
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A good example of why changing schemes is a bad idea, watch the Browns next year. They booted there 3-4 DC and brought in Greg Williams and his base 4-3. The Browns have a million draft picks and they are still gonna be the laugh of the league because of choices like that.
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01-09-2017, 10:19 PM | #64 |
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Re: You're Sean Payton
Originally Posted by CharityMike
The Browns are going to suck next year because they are the Browns, and when you are the Browns, you suck, because that's what Browns do.
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01-09-2017, 11:39 PM | #65 |
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Whenever you get down as a Who-Dat just thank your stars you don't hang your hat in the Dawg Pound.
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01-10-2017, 01:55 AM | #66 |
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Re: You're Sean Payton
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
That's great and all, but still none of it addresses MY point, that this defense has been historically bad for too long, whether it is a 4-3, 3-4, 2-3-2, 1-1-1-1-1-1-1, whatever, that it may take someone who really knows what he's doing to figure out what can be done with what the Saints got.
Also, stop making statements like "Allen is flexible, Phillips is strictly 3-4". Please... And don't tell me what happened 2013-2014. I saw the games. Ryan's system wasn't complex; on the contrary, his system was so simple, he got figured out, just like he's gotten figured out the next season everywhere he's been. |
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01-10-2017, 09:01 AM | #67 |
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper
Sorry, but YOU are wrong.
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And Allen HAS been very flexible using what he has available to their strengths. Once again, common knowledge. |
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01-10-2017, 10:00 AM | #68 |
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Re: You're Sean Payton
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
Of course, of course. Look, you can post all the links to "what sources said" pieces all you want, sprinkled with your own suppositions (which apparently you can do, but you don't like others doing). All you got is a few reporters regurgitating what the son of Jerry Jones (whatever his name is) said about why the Cowboys fired Ryan. Unless "complex" is used to team "undisciplined, and overall not sound".
I get it. You feel the need to defend Allen. And who knows, Allen may turn out to be the next Bill Belichick. However, the point still stands: the Saints have 2-3 more years with one of the best QBs in the history of the NFL. Do you at least take a shot at luring one of the best DCs around, who is currently not signed, with a proven track record spawning several years on different teams, or do you go with the unproven commodity? Personally, I'd at least try to get the proven commodity in here. If he tells me "no thanks" or "it'd take me a couple years to get the players I need", ok, then... |
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01-10-2017, 10:46 AM | #69 |
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'.......to discover in the end, he's been taken by the shills"
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01-10-2017, 10:54 AM | #70 |
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper
The fact is, like it or not, Allen isn't going anywhere this years Like it or not, THAT is the point.
And I'm not regurgitating what a reporter is saying. Some of those quotes were from Payton himself. Anyone that isn't blind could see the confusion out there during 2014 and the first half of 2015. The substitution scheme was so complex that the players, and their positional coaches, couldn't keep up with it. The exact same thing happened in Dallas. That is a fact whether you admit it or not. The same thing was happening in Buffalo this season. I saw it happening there. I watched quite a few Buffalo games this season because of fantasy players on both my teams and my wife's team. There were a number of occasions with 10 or 12 players out there on defense. That is due to the complexity of the scheme. Plain as day. |
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