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Interesting he didn't list Byrd's number.

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Yeah its a no on Butler for me
Id rather bring Moore back as a 3/4CB and draft someone to come in

You cant trust the health of any of our CB inc Breaux

I seriously would not be against drafting 2 CB and 2 DE with our picks in 1/1/2/3

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I'm back and forth on Malcolm Butler. He'd be the #1 cornerback on this team if we were to trade for him. His health isn't a concern unlike the corners we have now. He's 27 years old. He consistently grades out as a top 10 cornerback in the league. I don't know...I'm starting to think maybe we should pull the trigger. We can draft another cornerback as well and maybe we'll be able to get through a season without our starting corners going down.

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Patience, Grasshpper.

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He's a short CB. That's why NE wants to move him.

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Personally i think outside the Pats system he will not look half the player

If he was as good as some suggest and he thinks you wonder why the Pats were willing to risk a new player in the system and offer Gilmore so much money to sign.

Some reports saying he wanted north of 14ml a year

Why when we have just got out of cap issues do we want to go back to that for him. He is 2007-12 Revis

Revis is being paid 6ml or so this year by the Jets id rather take a shot on him for a small contract if he would play for it

He isnt what he was but the team could do with some vets back there and for the right deal id pull the trigger on him or even Verner

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I agree, and didn't they offer 14 per year and he turned it down?

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I thought it was about the money. I mean, he's 5'11". I prefer 6'0" corners these days, but he's right there. I don't know...I just know he's better than every corner on our roster at the moment. I wonder what his price tag is.

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Thats what i read

Id like a vet to come in a rookie drafted personally

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He played Atlanta in the Super Bowl. He would play them at least twice with us. He either had a poor outing or we got to see what he would be for us. I'd rather save the cheese and not sign him.

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He is 5'11 and not quick and when up against Julio,Evans,Jackson,Funchess and Benjamin 6 times a year you have to worry how Atlanta exposed them.

Sterling Moore did a decent job for me last year,especially considering the issues rushing the passer. He was fantastic and absoloutley screwed by the refs against the Giants,kept Beckham quite until the BS PI call at the end

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Wait...we're going to say Butler isn't that good...but hype up Sterling Moore? No...lol.

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I believe the thinking, and I tend to agree with it, is that in our system he would not play as well as Moore did for us.

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I'd have to disagree with that.

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Im not saying Moore is a great CB or even a number 2. But he played well at time last year under alot of pressure.

Butler could be a great CB but look at the players that leave NE. Very rarely do they go on to do better outside the Pats system. Browner and Revis but looked excellent for the Pats and terrible outside the system. I fear that Butler at over 14ml would be a massive bust,Moore would be reasonably priced and wouldn't kil the cap if it went wrng

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If Butler is going to cost $14 million I have no interest in him. If he's in the $8 million to $10 million range I'm all for it. Aqib Talib was great in the Pats system, and was great after. Revis was great before the Pats system, great there, and just injured after. Browner really wasn't great in the Pats system, they just made it work. But if corners seem to perform better in the Patriots scheme than they do else where....we might need to consider adopting that scheme ourselves.

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Exactly. Bill is the best in the league when it comes to evaluating and identifying players who fit his system, and he's also the best at knowing when to cut ties. I'm not saying I wouldn't pull for Butler if he ends up here. I'd want him to be an all pro. But I have serious reservations.

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Lots of reports from a few days back that Butler had turned down 14ml a year,though his agent is saying they are not asking for the moon.

He is going to want at least parity with the two big deals this year with his 2nd team All Pro so its going to be at least 12ml

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He ranked as the number 2 CB last year so will be asking very big money.

Malcolm Butler, New England Patriots, 86.4
Outside of Talib, there really hasn’t been a corner that has been consistently “shutdown,” but Malcolm Butler has had a fine season, outside of a couple of lapses. Against Miami back in Week 2, he surrendered 157 receiving yards, and he coughed up another 94 against Pittsburgh; beyond those games, he has given up 35 yards or fewer on six of his eight outings, and over the entire season, has allowed just 52.9 percent of passes into his coverage to be caught, despite occasionally being asked to track elite receivers.



The big flag there is occasionally being asked to track elite receivers

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Yeah, and look at the other QB's in that division. Not exactly a murderers row of talent. When Ryan Tannehill is the second best in the division you know somethings up.

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Saints draft Christian Mc Cafferty @ #32 and he gets !600 combined yards and everyone forgets about B.Cooks

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If McCaffrey is still there I actually wouldn't be opposed to that. He could potentially have an even bigger impact on our offense than Cooks did.

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Said about him the other day
I really think this offense needs a 3rd down back
Heard a podcast the other day and they were saying move him from a pass catching RB to a slot receiver who plays snaps at RB and receives out of the backfield

I cant not see Payton taking one toy with 5 picks in the first three rounds
I do wonder if they are thinking of Mixon for a similar role having spoke to him.
Mixon has Sproles speed in a 6'1 220lb frame. That is a mismatch if ever i have seen one

Or

Curtis Samuel*, RB/WR, Ohio State
Height: 5-11. Weight: 197.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Projected Round (2017): 1-2.
2/25/17: Sources have compared Samuel to Percy Harvin in terms of being a fast, explosive play-maker who is a hybrid wide receiver/running back. In 2016, Samuel had 74 receptions for 865 yards with seven touchdowns. On the ground, he averaged 7.9 yards per carry for 771 yards and eight scores.

Samuel has play-making upside for the NFL. As a pro, he will be more of a receiver than a running back. Samuel runs quality routes with the speed and suddenness to get separation. He can stretch teams vertically and is a dangerous run-after-the-catch receiver. With his speed and bulk, Samuel could line up as a slot or outside receiver to produce mismatches. He also could operate out of the backfield at times. If Samuel goes to a creative offensive coordinator, he could be a real weapon.

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Oh my...

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Per Walter Football...

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I bet they did
His base salary starts hitting the 8/9ml range next year and he is 30 in Dec

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This is funny...

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I have a feeling we are about to get finessed again by the Patriots if we do acquire Butler. I think he is a product of their system and BlackBerry doing a great job of game planning...

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Brandin Cooks trade perspective from Nick Underhill:

Sorting through Saints' Brandin Cooks trade; let's separate fact from fiction | Saints | theadvocate.com

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You know they didn't see this one coming. I really think we're the first team in a long time to beat the Patriots in a trade. We picked up a 1st and a 3rd.

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That was a good move on the Pats part really

They gave up a comp 3rd to get Cooks but by getting the Saints 4th they have regained there 4th rounder

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No need for McCafferty...we traded Cooks to get better on defense and with the 1st Rd picks that's what we should do. Those 1st Rd picks need to be every down players....not occasional.

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It's a BIG mistake. Don't we play the Pats this year? Cooks will be motivated.

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Still believe this was the highest draft picked offered. No first rounders just odd ball packages of players and lower picks. Sorry but the media once again miss lead us. In the end the pats probably were the highest bidder.

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Trading up to draft a 5'10" WR at #20 in the deepest WR draft in history was the mistake. Not fixing the defense was the mistake.

Fix the defense, then we'll be making a deep run in the playoffs without Cooks.

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McCafferty is just a favorite of mine . I don't think they go offense until 3 RD with pick from pats
Joe Mixon would be a great pick at#103