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spkb25 03-12-2017 08:28 AM

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I want us to keep all of our picks, I don't want us to package to move up. Maybe even gain some more moving back.

saintfan 03-12-2017 12:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 740291)
I want us to keep all of our picks, I don't want us to package to move up. Maybe even gain some more moving back.

Me too - I want to see us stand pat and draft some people, but that's because I'm not well-versed enough to know whether anybody is so good we should maneuver to get him. We have options tho, so I'm excited I guess, either way.

K Major 03-12-2017 02:25 PM

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Florio says Unsigned RFA tender ultimately kept Malcolm Butler out of Brandin Cooks trade talks - New Orleans Saints - Saints Report - Message Boards

spkb25 03-12-2017 02:29 PM

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dodged a bullet?

frydaddy 03-12-2017 02:32 PM

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Thank God. They probably would have wanted our 1st round pick in exchange.

MarchingOn 03-12-2017 02:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 740276)
Trading up to draft a 5'10" WR at #20 in the deepest WR draft in history was the mistake. Not fixing the defense was the mistake.

Fix the defense, then we'll be making a deep run in the playoffs without Cooks.

Yes, and WR Landry was there in the 2nd and safer than developmental CB SJB.

jeanpierre 03-12-2017 05:09 PM

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We still don't have that long, taller CB to complement the CB corps and matchup on big receivers...

Our division has Julio Jones, Mike Evans, and Kelvin Benjamin...

Have bang the drum saying that the pass rush needs more attention and would have more impact than even slightly better DBs...

And it was our safety, J-Byrd who was slow rolling over and helping on long pass plays that killed our stats...

Cutting QB pocket time down and even slightly better FS play will see a reduction on those stat killing deep bombs that seemed to happen once per quarter, at least in the first halves of games...

44Champs 03-12-2017 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 740080)
What else would he say? He can't tell teams they can have the guy for nothing. Ya gotta play the game, act like you don't want to part with the guy, if they think you are just trying to get rid of him, they aren't going to offer much.

I think he absolutely said the right thing. He just didnt stick to his words.

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rezburna 03-12-2017 10:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 740326)
We still don't have that long, taller CB to complement the CB corps and matchup on big receivers...

Our division has Julio Jones, Mike Evans, and Kelvin Benjamin...

Have bang the drum saying that the pass rush needs more attention and would have more impact than even slightly better DBs...

And it was our safety, J-Byrd who was slow rolling over and helping on long pass plays that killed our stats...

Cutting QB pocket time down and even slightly better FS play will see a reduction on those stat killing deep bombs that seemed to happen once per quarter, at least in the first halves of games...

They say we've been keeping tabs on that safety from UCONN.

Beastmode 03-13-2017 12:51 AM

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I don't like the trade but it really had to be done. We lost every game by a score or less except two. If the draft was weak on defense then no but that is not the case.

We can make a drastic improvement on that side if we hit pay dirt with a couple of them. If by mid season the D is in the mid to upper teens we are likely going deep in the playoffs barring injuries. And whoever fills Cooks shoes will find a niche by that point.

I also think this is not going to work out for the Pats. Cooks wants to be a legend. Not going to happen on that team. He's going from a bad situation to a worse one if he wants to be that kind of player.

K Major 03-13-2017 10:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 740338)
They say we've been keeping tabs on that safety from UCONN.

Hey Rez, is this the guy you were speaking of?

Obi Melifonwu to meet with Saints.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AaronWils...57579833630720

voodooido 03-13-2017 11:13 AM

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Would love to pick up OSU wr Samuel in rd two to replace cooks. If not stringfellow from ole piss will be there In the 6th

jeanpierre 03-13-2017 11:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 740375)
Hey Rez, is this the guy you were speaking of?

Obi Melifonwu to meet with Saints.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AaronWils...57579833630720

He has a good combine, Saints staff were checking him out...

Payton is looking for his Kam Chancellor...

rezburna 03-13-2017 02:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 740375)
Hey Rez, is this the guy you were speaking of?

Obi Melifonwu to meet with Saints.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AaronWils...57579833630720

Yeah that's him. Athletic freak with the stats to back it up. Kam Chancellor 2.0?

rezburna 03-13-2017 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 740383)
He has a good combine, Saints staff were checking him out...

Payton is looking for his Kam Chancellor...

Lol I didn't even see your post and called him Chancellor 2.0.

spkb25 03-13-2017 02:46 PM

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Our stellar 2014 draft:

Round 1, Pick 20 (From Cardinals)
Oregon St. WR Brandin Cooks (5'10",189)

Impressing the New Orleans brass with his athleticism, worth ethic and character, the Saints traded up in the 2014 NFL Draft to the 20th slot to have the opportunity to pick the 2013 Biletnikoff Award winner. Taking advantage of blazing speed, clocking in with a 4.33 40-yard dash at the NFL Scouting Combine, Cooks established himself as one of college football’s elite offensive weapons in three seasons at Oregon State, where he started 29-of-38 games and posted 226 receptions for 3,272 yards (14.5 avg.) with 24 touchdowns, also adding 61 carries for 340 yards (5.6 avg.). Expected to also compete for snaps in the return game for the Saints, Cooks also returned 12 punts for 72 yards and brought back eight kickoffs for 179 yards for a career total of 3,863 all-purpose yards.

Round 2, Pick 26 (58 overall)
Nebraska DB Stanley Jean-Baptiste (6'3",218)
A physical cornerback, who aggressively battles receivers and tight ends, excels in run support and possesses solid ball skills, Jean-Baptiste will compete with several players in the New Orleans secondary. As a senior, he was a second-team All-Big Ten Conference selection after recording 41 tackles, one sack, four stops for a loss, four interceptions and 12 passes defensed. For his career, the converted wide receiver appeared in 36 games with 19 starts and recorded 74 tackles with seven interceptions, 22 passes defensed, one sack, four tackles for a loss and a seven-yard reception.

Round 4, Pick 26 (126 overall)
California ILB Khairi Fortt (6'2".248)

A rugged, powerful linebacker with size to fill holes and speed to chase ball-carriers, who was one of 12 national semifinalists for the 2013 Butkus Award, Fortt enjoyed a productive season at California in 2013 after starting his career at Penn State. As a fourth-year junior, he started all nine games he played in and tied for third on the team with 64 tackles, 0.5 sack and 3.5 stops for a loss. In 31 contests with 10 starts for both the Golden Bears and Nittany Lions, he recorded 114 tackles, three sacks and 10 stops for a loss.

Round 5, Pick 27 (167 overall)
Alabama SS Vinnie Sunseri (5'11", 210)

A hard-hitter who was a significant contributor on both defense and special teams at the University of Alabama. Sunseri departed having appeared in 34 games with 15 starts, posting 105 tackles (67 solo), seven tackles for a loss, 1.4 sacks, four interceptions, eight passes defensed, three fumble recoveries and one forced fumble.

Round 5, Pick 29 (169 overall) (From Patriots through Eagles)
Florida OLB Ronald Powell (6'3”, 237)

A tall, lean, muscular athlete, Powell returned to the lineup for the Gators in 2013 after missing the 2012 season with a knee injury and finished with 26 tackles (19 solo), leading the team with four sacks. Overall at Florida, he appeared in 37 career games with 21 starts and finished with 83 tackles (55 solo), 11 sacks, 19 tackles for a loss, one forced fumble and two passes defensed, leading his team in takedowns in two of his three campaigns in Gainesville. Powell will seek a spot in the club’s outside linebacker corps, while immediately competing and contributing on special teams.

Round 6, Pick 26 (202 overall)
Kansas OT Tavon Rooks (6'5", 280)

A two-year starter at Kansas State after transferring from Navarro Junior College, Rooks excelled in both pass protection and run-blocking as he opened 23 of the 26 games he played in. Rooks will work into the right tackle position initially in New Orleans, where he will compete for a roster spot in training camp.

spkb25 03-13-2017 02:50 PM

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Outisde of Cooks is any of those guys even in the league anymore?

dizzle88 03-13-2017 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 740413)
Our stellar 2014 draft:

Round 1, Pick 20 (From Cardinals)
Oregon St. WR Brandin Cooks (5'10",189)

Impressing the New Orleans brass with his athleticism, worth ethic and character

He obviously duped the management then, 3 years in the league and 20 TD's and he complains about how he's being used in the most consistent offense the NFL has ever seen.

K Major 03-13-2017 02:54 PM

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Pre - Jeff Ireland draft picks ;)

K Major 03-13-2017 02:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 740413)
Our stellar 2014 draft:


Round 2, Pick 26 (58 overall)
Nebraska DB Stanley Jean-Baptiste (6'3",218)
A physical cornerback, who aggressively battles receivers and tight ends, excels in run support and possesses solid ball skills, Jean-Baptiste will compete with several players in the New Orleans secondary. As a senior, he was a second-team All-Big Ten Conference selection after recording 41 tackles, one sack, four stops for a loss, four interceptions and 12 passes defensed.

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lee909 03-13-2017 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 740417)
Pre - Jeff Ireland draft picks ;)

There has definetly been an improvement since Ireland came in

Still far from perfect but steps in the right direction

shawnkytonk 03-13-2017 03:01 PM

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You left Peat out of that draft, but yeah.

spkb25 03-13-2017 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 740421)
You left Peat out of that draft, but yeah.

Peat was '15. Matter of fact, so far, (hope it changes) Davidson and Peat are the only two contributors from '15.

shawnkytonk 03-13-2017 03:09 PM

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Oof......I knew we had 2 1st round picks in the draft we took Peat. I thought we traded up for Cooks after taking Peat. No wonder. The other pick was Anthony. My bad.

K Major 03-13-2017 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 740423)
Oof......I knew we had 2 1st round picks in the draft we took Peat. I thought we traded up for Cooks after taking Peat. No wonder. The other pick was Anthony. My bad.

I haven't given up on Stephone. I truly believe coaching/teaching makes a world of difference at this level and I think Nolan will help his development. He is still very young and impressionable.

The talent is there.

Budsdrinker 03-13-2017 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 740050)
Ask yourself what is the difference between pick #32 & pick #33

5th year option on contract that 2nd round doesn't have

spkb25 03-13-2017 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 740425)
I haven't given up on Stephone. I truly believe coaching/teaching makes a world of difference at this level and I think Nolan will help his development. He is still very young and impressionable.

The talent is there.

Me too. Plus hoping PJ can stay healthy and same with Kika. Swann showed so much promise the 1rst 8-10 games season one. Man we had a lot of potential. If those guys could get healthy and stay healthy it would be huge

Budsdrinker 03-13-2017 03:50 PM

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We also have Fuller on the roster for speed.
Corey Fuller: Combine Stats at NFL.com

nola_swammi 03-13-2017 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 740429)
5th year option on contract that 2nd round doesn't have

I was answering a question not asking a question



Originally Posted by shawnkytonk View Post
How is a 1st rounder considered an early 2nd?


Ask yourself what is the difference between pick #32 & pick #33
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foreverfan 03-13-2017 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 740442)
Ask yourself what is the difference between pick #32 & pick #33
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1 pick.... :confused:

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dizzle88 03-13-2017 04:56 PM

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Last time we had the 32nd pick we drafted Patrick Robinson :/

shawnkytonk 03-13-2017 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 740442)
I was answering a question not asking a question



Originally Posted by shawnkytonk View Post
How is a 1st rounder considered an early 2nd?


Ask yourself what is the difference between pick #32 & pick #33
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And I was pointing out the idiocy that someone claimed all we got was an early 2nd.

nola_swammi 03-13-2017 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 740452)
And I was pointing out the idiocy that someone claimed all we got was an early 2nd.

You might as well call it a early 2nd with benefits, one spot away from 2nd rd.

shawnkytonk 03-13-2017 06:02 PM

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That's a stupid analogy. Not the stupidest thing I've read today, but it's up there.

spkb25 03-13-2017 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 740445)

in layman's terms....yes

foreverfan 03-13-2017 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 740462)
in layman's terms....yes

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Rugby Saint II 03-14-2017 01:59 PM

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I just hope that there is more to this than meets the eye. We got good value for our investment and hopefully a good return for the exchange. Now let's go get ourselves another young Speedster
I know that we may still make some kind of trade 4 Malcolm Butler. I guess we'll just wait and see how that works out.

Audiotom 03-14-2017 06:38 PM

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Brandon Cooks
great work ethic
catches everything in sight
over the top speed
sometimes has hard time getting past the line pressure

we are getting rid of a proven top tier wide receiver just because he is going to have to be paid someday?

this is pathetic

Bill B once said when scrimmaging us in W. VA that Brandon Cooks is the one guy that he would hate to have to game plan for twice a year.

did I say Pathetic

Audiotom 03-14-2017 06:41 PM

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Cooks wasn't a problem
that was blown up by the media and will be a sticking point hoopla with a trade

he deserves to be paid - anyone remember Marcus Colston?

gone are the 80 yard bombs

watch Brady have some fun

AsylumGuido 03-14-2017 07:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Audiotom (Post 740737)
Brandon Cooks
great work ethic
catches everything in sight
over the top speed
sometimes has hard time getting past the line pressure

we are getting rid of a proven top tier wide receiver just because he is going to have to be paid someday?

this is pathetic

Bill B once said when scrimmaging us in W. VA that Brandon Cooks is the one guy that he would hate to have to game plan for twice a year.

did I say Pathetic

No, that isn't the point. The impact that Cooks has as compared to a replacement does not come close to what it would cost to retain him as compared to a replacement. He also had value to get something in return. Will he get paid? Maybe. But we won't have to take the hit.


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