Defense Defense Defense

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-26-2017, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

I will give you a reason why Fleener is still here. I'm going to bet Brees and his family are closest to him than anyone else on the team.

Fascinating conspiracy theory. Ever heard of Occam's Razor where the most logical explanation is likely the correct one? Try this on for size.

Per: Coby Fleener Contract Details, Salary Cap Breakdowns, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac

Fleener has nearly $15 million guaranteed on his contract including a $8 million signing bonus. It's cost the Saints $12 million in dead cap to cut him now. Next year the dead cap will be under $5 million against a $8 million cap hit.

In short too expensive to cut now. Cheap enough to do next year.

BTW what evidence do you have that Brees and Fleener have anything other than a professional relationship?

Occam's Razor.

SFIAH

Rugby Saint II · 03-26-2017, 04:32 PM

There are some solid arguments made here. I was for drafting defense with every pick but I am not so sure now.

jnormand · 03-26-2017, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

I will give you a reason why Fleener is still here. I'm going to bet Brees and his family are closest to him than anyone else on the team.

Dude you've lost your mind. That is absolutely ridiculous. When and where have you ever seen that they're buddies? I've seen nor heard nothing of the such. And even if they were, who cares? Brees wouldn't be the reason they kept Fleener. It'd be stupid and illogical to cut him this year anyway you psycho.

ChrisXVI · 03-26-2017, 08:59 PM

I'm actually starting to warm up to Hagan's idea of taking OJ Howard at #11. We could possibly get a DE like Jordan Willis or TJ Watt at #31 and go defense-heavy the rest of the way.

WillSaints81 · 03-27-2017, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Dude you've lost your mind. That is absolutely ridiculous. When and where have you ever seen that they're buddies? I've seen nor heard nothing of the such. And even if they were, who cares? Brees wouldn't be the reason they kept Fleener. It'd be stupid and illogical to cut him this year anyway you psycho.

Psycho?

Danno · 03-27-2017, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I'm actually starting to warm up to Hagan's idea of taking OJ Howard at #11. We could possibly get a DE like Jordan Willis or TJ Watt at #31 and go defense-heavy the rest of the way.

OJ would be a difference maker for a decade after Brees retires.

Whats a young QB's best friend? A skilled TE. OJ Howard has it all. He's sort of Jimmy Graham with better blocking skills and better hands.

I'd be very happy with him at 11, if the top DE's are off the board and we address defense with several other picks.

|Mitch| · 03-27-2017, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Whats a young QB's best friend? A skilled TE.

An effective run game...

Danno · 03-27-2017, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

An effective run game...

OK, 1 and 2.

But I was referring to the passing game.

Technically...
1-A great defense
2-A great run game
3-A great TE

FinSaint · 03-28-2017, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

OK, 1 and 2.

But I was referring to the passing game.

Technically...
1-A great defense
2-A great run game
3-A great TE

4-A great pass blocking O-line

K Major · 03-28-2017, 12:59 PM

I hope the Saints FO take a flyer on TE prospects Evan Engram or Adam Shaheen. The kid from U of Miami also (his name escapes me at the moment).

03-26-2017, 11:42 AM	#51
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: Defense Defense Defense Originally Posted by WillSaints81 I will give you a reason why Fleener is still here. I'm going to bet Brees and his family are closest to him than anyone else on the team. Fascinating conspiracy theory. Ever heard of Occam's Razor where the most logical explanation is likely the correct one? Try this on for size. Per: Coby Fleener Contract Details, Salary Cap Breakdowns, Salaries, Bonuses \| Spotrac Fleener has nearly $15 million guaranteed on his contract including a $8 million signing bonus. It's cost the Saints $12 million in dead cap to cut him now. Next year the dead cap will be under $5 million against a $8 million cap hit. In short too expensive to cut now. Cheap enough to do next year. BTW what evidence do you have that Brees and Fleener have anything other than a professional relationship? Occam's Razor. SFIAH jnormand, hagan714 and K Major like this.
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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	Re: Defense Defense Defense Originally Posted by WillSaints81 I will give you a reason why Fleener is still here. I'm going to bet Brees and his family are closest to him than anyone else on the team. Dude you've lost your mind. That is absolutely ridiculous. When and where have you ever seen that they're buddies? I've seen nor heard nothing of the such. And even if they were, who cares? Brees wouldn't be the reason they kept Fleener. It'd be stupid and illogical to cut him this year anyway you psycho. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Defense Defense Defense I'm actually starting to warm up to Hagan's idea of taking OJ Howard at #11. We could possibly get a DE like Jordan Willis or TJ Watt at #31 and go defense-heavy the rest of the way. Danno and MarchingOn like this.

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WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Defense Defense Defense Originally Posted by jnormand Dude you've lost your mind. That is absolutely ridiculous. When and where have you ever seen that they're buddies? I've seen nor heard nothing of the such. And even if they were, who cares? Brees wouldn't be the reason they kept Fleener. It'd be stupid and illogical to cut him this year anyway you psycho. Psycho?

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Defense Defense Defense Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I'm actually starting to warm up to Hagan's idea of taking OJ Howard at #11. We could possibly get a DE like Jordan Willis or TJ Watt at #31 and go defense-heavy the rest of the way. OJ would be a difference maker for a decade after Brees retires. Whats a young QB's best friend? A skilled TE. OJ Howard has it all. He's sort of Jimmy Graham with better blocking skills and better hands. I'd be very happy with him at 11, if the top DE's are off the board and we address defense with several other picks. hagan714, ChrisXVI and MarchingOn like this.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Defense Defense Defense Originally Posted by Danno Whats a young QB's best friend? A skilled TE. An effective run game...

03-27-2017, 07:54 PM	#58
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Defense Defense Defense Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| An effective run game... OK, 1 and 2. But I was referring to the passing game. Technically... 1-A great defense 2-A great run game 3-A great TE

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FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Defense Defense Defense Originally Posted by Danno OK, 1 and 2. But I was referring to the passing game. Technically... 1-A great defense 2-A great run game 3-A great TE 4-A great pass blocking O-line

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Defense Defense Defense I hope the Saints FO take a flyer on TE prospects Evan Engram or Adam Shaheen. The kid from U of Miami also (his name escapes me at the moment).

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