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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by vpheughan Brandin Cooks was "Elite" to you? He finished #3 to the obvious "Non Elite" WR's for the Saints!!! Oh by the way Jimmy Graham was 52nd! 2016 NFL Yards After Catch Leaders #7 Michael Thomas #30 ...

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Old 03-25-2017, 07:31 PM   #31
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Originally Posted by vpheughan View Post
Brandin Cooks was "Elite" to you? He finished #3 to the obvious "Non Elite" WR's for the Saints!!! Oh by the way Jimmy Graham was 52nd!

2016 NFL Yards After Catch Leaders

#7 Michael Thomas
#30 Willie Snead
#35 Brandin Cooks

Oh yes, Two other obvious "Non Elite" WR's

#7 Odell Beckham Jr
#19 Julio Jones
Because Cooks wasn't as targeted. That's why he's that low. Cooks was only used for specialty plays. Thomas yards after catch were different. That's not the way ODB ran. Or Brown.

Laquon Treadwell would be better than Thomas in this offense. Again we accept what other teams consider average.
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Old 03-25-2017, 07:39 PM   #32
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Thomas reminded me of number two guys last year like Decker and Sanders. Those receivers could not stand alone as number ones. I don't see Thomas as a number one. I have seen Colston in his prime catch deep TD passes. Thomas has not shown that yet. I just don't see it. He was fine where he was but I don't see Thomas in the same league as Brown, Jones, ODB, Green. He's not even Evans, Allen, and Watkins.

The truth is the saints don't have many things good, that fans over-value what is good.
Firstly, it was Thomas' rookie season, so regardless you'd have to give him more time.
Secondly, Thomas broke all of Colstons rookie records

Is it Thomas' fault that as per Payton's play calling, Thomas was not designated to run many deep routes. It was obvious Payton liked his ability to work the crossing patterns and break tackles so he got him working to his strengths.

Antonio Brown for instance didn't become the player he is now until his 4th year in the league.

Watch Michael Thomas in his rookie highlights completely out-muscle the DB's he faces and it's impossible to deny he looks like a special talent.

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Old 03-25-2017, 07:43 PM   #33
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Tedd is another Robert Meachem.

Thomas looks to have all the makings of a solid possession receiver just like Colston.

Fleener truthfully is entering the last year of his ridiculous contract. If the saints play this right

You bring me to my TE pick of OJ Howard. One of the benefits of Howard is getting us out of that freaking contract next year so we can have an additional 3.3 million in 2018 and 6.3 million in 2019. Of course this is after subtracting out OJs cost to us of about $2,5 mill/yr if picked at 11. Cap control via the draft. A thing the Pats do extremely well.

Now to my second point. Find me a WR that can match Howard combination of athletic/size/speed combination. He has the skill set to make you forget about Graham He is Graham with a skill set Jimmy was never good at. Blocking. Right now I am thinking he is not only the best TE in the draft but could be the best WR. Your actually drafting two players with one pick. He will make up for Cooks loss. This is a once in a life time freak.

O.J. Howard TE Alabama 6055 251 4.51 #88 Sr

This guy running around in the secondary would scare the helll out of DC league wide. Knowing that Drew loves using his TE makes him even more dangerous. Freeing up every one. Ever see OJ block down field. A thing of beauty. His impact on the field would be felt on every down no matter what he does.
I will give you a reason why Fleener is still here. I'm going to bet Brees and his family are closest to him than anyone else on the team.
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Old 03-25-2017, 07:44 PM   #34
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Because Cooks wasn't as targeted. That's why he's that low. Cooks was only used for specialty plays. Thomas yards after catch were different. That's not the way ODB ran. Or Brown.

Laquon Treadwell would be better than Thomas in this offense. Again we accept what other teams consider average.
The guy who couldn't even crack a starting spot for a Minnesota team that badly needed a WR to step up. Seriously, you think that a guy who finished the season with 1 catch for 15 yards, is better suited than a guy that recorded over 1100 yards and 8 TD's. Sorry to say, but your point is utterly ridiculous.
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Old 03-25-2017, 07:45 PM   #35
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When Colston caught that monster pass against GB in 2008, that's not something I can see Thomas doing.
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Old 03-25-2017, 07:47 PM   #36
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Firstly, it was Thomas' rookie season, so regardless you'd have to give him more time.
Secondly, Thomas broke all of Colstons rookie records

Is it Thomas' fault that as per Payton's play calling, Thomas was not designated to run many deep routes. It was obvious Payton liked his ability to work the crossing patterns and break tackles so he got him working to his strengths.

Antonio Brown for instance didn't become the player he is now until his 4th year in the league.

Watch Michael Thomas in his rookie highlights completely out-muscle the DB's he faces and it's impossible to deny he looks like a special talent.

That's because Colston was hurt in 2006!
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Firstly, it was Thomas' rookie season, so regardless you'd have to give him more time.
Secondly, Thomas broke all of Colstons rookie records

Is it Thomas' fault that as per Payton's play calling, Thomas was not designated to run many deep routes. It was obvious Payton liked his ability to work the crossing patterns and break tackles so he got him working to his strengths.

Antonio Brown for instance didn't become the player he is now until his 4th year in the league.

Watch Michael Thomas in his rookie highlights completely out-muscle the DB's he faces and it's impossible to deny he looks like a special talent.
If you're going to do stuff like that you better come up with the reasons why. As someone who plays FF and was tracking players like Brown, you know nothing about how the steelers treat their receivers.

Hines Ward, Mike Wallace..........
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The guy who couldn't even crack a starting spot for a Minnesota team that badly needed a WR to step up. Seriously, you think that a guy who finished the season with 1 catch for 15 yards, is better suited than a guy that recorded over 1100 yards and 8 TD's. Sorry to say, but your point is utterly ridiculous.
There you go again comparing our offense to Minnesota's. Minnesota wanted Treadwell to be the number two behind Diggs. He was also a bad fit for that team from the get go.
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Old 03-25-2017, 07:54 PM   #39
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If you're going to do stuff like that you better come up with the reasons why. As someone who plays FF and was tracking players like Brown, you know nothing about how the steelers treat their receivers.

Hines Ward, Mike Wallace..........
I know nothing about the Steelers, you are quite correct, but didn't you say mid season you were "done supporting the saints" and you honestly think that a receiver who caught one pass all season, is better for us than one who catches 80+ passes. Fail.
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Old 03-25-2017, 07:54 PM   #40
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If you think Thomas is a future round 1 receiver in fantasy with the likes of Brown, Jones, and ODB well that's you but no way do i ever see anything like that.
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