Interesting stats on Mark Ingram

jnormand · 05-16-2017, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

I'll give you a better back.........Chris Ivory. Imagine if he was still a saint.

And don't tell me...you think Chase Daniel should be the starter this year instead of Brees...because he's obviously a better QB?

I honestly think you get on this forum sometimes to either:

1. Try to sound like you know more than everyone else by using poor logic or just throwing things out there to sound...idk...cool or something. When it actually makes you sound like you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about.

Or

2. To piss people off because you enjoy the attention. I don't think you're a troll. I just think...you're some guy that has no idea who he's talking to.

I don't know if you've figured this out yet so I'll clue you in. A lot of the "fans" on this forum have not only been following this team for literally decades. But they also know a metric **** ton about this team, the players (past and present), the coaching staff (past and present), the offensive and defensive schemes and the stats of all of the above.

In other words, when you want to make a point, please remember that a lot of us really actually know a lot about this team. We're not "casual fans". So saying something as weird as "Ivory is better than Ingram" sounds like you know very little about either player. Even some people here who don't really like Ingram probably think that's a very bias comment that has no factual basis at all.

The Dude · 05-16-2017, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

When you get down to it, you can argue the Ingram selection cost this team four draft picks... (updated for clarity )

There was the 2011 second round pick we packaged to get the 2011 first round pick we used...

There was the 2012 first round pick was the other half of the package...

Because we didn't have a 2012 first round pick, Goodell looking for severe punishment, instead took our 2012 and 2013 second round picks...

Now I'm not speaking for every fan, but, for me, that's too much draft capital, especially when I didn't like the pick. Why?

First, he wasn't a first round pick no matter what the color the sky is in your respective universe...

Second, his selection cost us a first AND second round pick, and I'm rarely like Payton/Loomis two-for-ones...

Third, with the extremely rare players of this past 2017 draft, you don't spend a first round pick on Rbs...

Fourth, we had clear, better need/value intersects in that draft way beyond taking a RB, much less Ingram...

Fifth, in what dimension will Sean Payton pound the rock 30 Att/game with Drew Brees as his QB?

Now, until Ingram's extension he was a disappointment of 3 yards and a cloud of dust with missed big play opportunities, conversions...

Despite this, I favored retaining him after the investment in developing him and RB market conditions with a lack of options...

Maybe he's a slow-learner, but somehow he's become a very complementary RB to Payton's offense...

...and his loss would bear strain on what the Saints are trying to do offensively not having an honest RB option...

I'm glad we have him, now. But you'll never hear me say poor Mark as he's been compensated and overly invested...

The past is over and done with. That draft is long since over. I think you have to put any aspects of how he was drafted aside when you are judging a players stats. He can't help how or where he was drafted, the point is I think he's a very good back in this league and the stats mentioned in the article show that.

K Major · 05-16-2017, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

I'll give you a better back.........Chris Ivory. Imagine if he was still a saint.

dizzle88 · 05-17-2017, 04:30 AM

You complain that Ingram has rarely played 16 games, yet you would rather have Chris Ivory than Ingram....

Ivory played 1 and a half games and would miss 5-6 games with hamstring issues.

Ingram is perfect for our system.

WillSaints81 · 05-17-2017, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Are you kidding me? Last year Ivory played in 11 games and didn't sniff 450 yards rushing.

How in the hell is Ivory a better back?

You've got some seriously misguided logic man. I just don't understand.

He played with the freaking jaguars. What did you expect? he was on a crap offense that tried to be run first with him being backup to a RB that was not better. The OC got fired midseason. What about what he did with the jets? What about the monster run against Atlanta? Against that kind of competition Ingram has never done that. He did well with us because he was not getting eight in the box.

WillSaints81 · 05-17-2017, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

You complain that Ingram has rarely played 16 games, yet you would rather have Chris Ivory than Ingram....

Ivory played 1 and a half games and would miss 5-6 games with hamstring issues.

Ingram is perfect for our system.

I didn't say switch out Ingram for Ivory. When healthy, Ivory had the burst Ingram doesn't. Point I was making is among our recent backs, Ivory ran better with us when healthy than Ingram did. I mean Ivory could run for 50 yards more than Ingram could. Point to that SF game but every RB gashed SF last year. Ivory excelled in Gailey's system and then Powell started cutting in his carries. Ivory has not been as injured also since leaving us and Ingram's also had a injury history.

This fanbase has a taste for mediocrity because Brees makes it better. All I know is Brees got exposed as a 4th place qb behind the other three in this era and that cannot be changed. All that needed to happen was a offensive line that sat on its hands.

jnormand · 05-17-2017, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

He played with the freaking jaguars. What did you expect? he was on a crap offense that tried to be run first with him being backup to a RB that was not better. The OC got fired midseason. What about what he did with the jets? What about the monster run against Atlanta? Against that kind of competition Ingram has never done that. He did well with us because he was not getting eight in the box.

Still not listening dude. You're in denial.

WillSaints81 · 05-18-2017, 12:00 AM

How many runs of 30+ does Ingram have compared to Ivory?

jnormand · 05-18-2017, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

How many runs of 30+ does Ingram have compared to Ivory?

Do you know the answer to that question Will? Or are you just throwing **** out there?

Seer1 · 05-18-2017, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Do you know the answer to that question Will? Or are you just throwing **** out there?

What do you think Jnorm? Even if he does, he totally ignores the importance of a RB which is to get those few yards when needed. A thirty plus run is strictly gravy. And yes, every RB does much better when there aren't eight stacked in the box.

Only argue with a crazy man when you're havin' fun with it.

05-16-2017, 09:44 PM	#41
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by WillSaints81 I'll give you a better back.........Chris Ivory. Imagine if he was still a saint. And don't tell me...you think Chase Daniel should be the starter this year instead of Brees...because he's obviously a better QB? I honestly think you get on this forum sometimes to either: 1. Try to sound like you know more than everyone else by using poor logic or just throwing things out there to sound...idk...cool or something. When it actually makes you sound like you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about. Or 2. To piss people off because you enjoy the attention. I don't think you're a troll. I just think...you're some guy that has no idea who he's talking to. I don't know if you've figured this out yet so I'll clue you in. A lot of the "fans" on this forum have not only been following this team for literally decades. But they also know a metric **** ton about this team, the players (past and present), the coaching staff (past and present), the offensive and defensive schemes and the stats of all of the above. In other words, when you want to make a point, please remember that a lot of us really actually know a lot about this team. We're not "casual fans". So saying something as weird as "Ivory is better than Ingram" sounds like you know very little about either player. Even some people here who don't really like Ingram probably think that's a very bias comment that has no factual basis at all. SaintFanInATLHELL, Danno, AsylumGuido and 2 others like this.

05-16-2017, 10:04 PM	#42
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by jeanpierre When you get down to it, you can argue the Ingram selection cost this team four draft picks... (updated for clarity ) There was the 2011 second round pick we packaged to get the 2011 first round pick we used... There was the 2012 first round pick was the other half of the package... Because we didn't have a 2012 first round pick, Goodell looking for severe punishment, instead took our 2012 and 2013 second round picks... Now I'm not speaking for every fan, but, for me, that's too much draft capital, especially when I didn't like the pick. Why? First, he wasn't a first round pick no matter what the color the sky is in your respective universe... Second, his selection cost us a first AND second round pick, and I'm rarely like Payton/Loomis two-for-ones... Third, with the extremely rare players of this past 2017 draft, you don't spend a first round pick on Rbs... Fourth, we had clear, better need/value intersects in that draft way beyond taking a RB, much less Ingram... Fifth, in what dimension will Sean Payton pound the rock 30 Att/game with Drew Brees as his QB? Now, until Ingram's extension he was a disappointment of 3 yards and a cloud of dust with missed big play opportunities, conversions... Despite this, I favored retaining him after the investment in developing him and RB market conditions with a lack of options... Maybe he's a slow-learner, but somehow he's become a very complementary RB to Payton's offense... ...and his loss would bear strain on what the Saints are trying to do offensively not having an honest RB option... I'm glad we have him, now. But you'll never hear me say poor Mark as he's been compensated and overly invested... The past is over and done with. That draft is long since over. I think you have to put any aspects of how he was drafted aside when you are judging a players stats. He can't help how or where he was drafted, the point is I think he's a very good back in this league and the stats mentioned in the article show that. ChrisXVI likes this.
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05-16-2017, 10:33 PM	#43
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by WillSaints81 I'll give you a better back.........Chris Ivory. Imagine if he was still a saint. SaintFanInATLHELL and jnormand like this.

05-17-2017, 04:30 AM	#44
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram You complain that Ingram has rarely played 16 games, yet you would rather have Chris Ivory than Ingram.... Ivory played 1 and a half games and would miss 5-6 games with hamstring issues. Ingram is perfect for our system. jnormand likes this.

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WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by jnormand Are you kidding me? Last year Ivory played in 11 games and didn't sniff 450 yards rushing. How in the hell is Ivory a better back? You've got some seriously misguided logic man. I just don't understand. He played with the freaking jaguars. What did you expect? he was on a crap offense that tried to be run first with him being backup to a RB that was not better. The OC got fired midseason. What about what he did with the jets? What about the monster run against Atlanta? Against that kind of competition Ingram has never done that. He did well with us because he was not getting eight in the box.

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05-17-2017, 08:13 PM	#46
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by dizzle88 You complain that Ingram has rarely played 16 games, yet you would rather have Chris Ivory than Ingram.... Ivory played 1 and a half games and would miss 5-6 games with hamstring issues. Ingram is perfect for our system. I didn't say switch out Ingram for Ivory. When healthy, Ivory had the burst Ingram doesn't. Point I was making is among our recent backs, Ivory ran better with us when healthy than Ingram did. I mean Ivory could run for 50 yards more than Ingram could. Point to that SF game but every RB gashed SF last year. Ivory excelled in Gailey's system and then Powell started cutting in his carries. Ivory has not been as injured also since leaving us and Ingram's also had a injury history. This fanbase has a taste for mediocrity because Brees makes it better. All I know is Brees got exposed as a 4th place qb behind the other three in this era and that cannot be changed. All that needed to happen was a offensive line that sat on its hands.

05-17-2017, 09:46 PM	#47
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by WillSaints81 He played with the freaking jaguars. What did you expect? he was on a crap offense that tried to be run first with him being backup to a RB that was not better. The OC got fired midseason. What about what he did with the jets? What about the monster run against Atlanta? Against that kind of competition Ingram has never done that. He did well with us because he was not getting eight in the box. Still not listening dude. You're in denial. dizzle88 likes this.

05-18-2017, 12:00 AM	#48
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram How many runs of 30+ does Ingram have compared to Ivory?

05-18-2017, 01:05 AM	#49
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by WillSaints81 How many runs of 30+ does Ingram have compared to Ivory? Do you know the answer to that question Will? Or are you just throwing **** out there?

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Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by jnormand Do you know the answer to that question Will? Or are you just throwing **** out there? What do you think Jnorm? Even if he does, he totally ignores the importance of a RB which is to get those few yards when needed. A thirty plus run is strictly gravy. And yes, every RB does much better when there aren't eight stacked in the box. Only argue with a crazy man when you're havin' fun with it. jnormand and AsylumGuido like this.

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