Interesting stats on Mark Ingram

rezburna · 05-14-2017, 01:33 PM

When you watch Pierre Thomas highlights he always seemed to squeeze through a hole that didn't exist and come out on the other end five yards down the field. He'd push the pile on 2nd and 8 and get us the first down. What he didn't bring in big play ability on the ground he made up for in consistency and with catching the ball out of the backfield and blocking. Ingram played well last year though. That was the best he ever looked, but I'd be lying if I said he showed that ability the whole time he was here.

AsylumGuido · 05-14-2017, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

When you watch Pierre Thomas highlights he always seemed to squeeze through a hole that didn't exist and come out on the other end five yards down the field. He'd push the pile on 2nd and 8 and get us the first down. What he didn't bring in big play ability on the ground he made up for in consistency and with catching the ball out of the backfield and blocking. Ingram played well last year though. That was the best he ever looked, but I'd be lying if I said he showed that ability the whole time he was here.

You are right, to a degree, but he was also not used to his potential in the first two years. And the offensive line was not producing enough in the run game.

rezburna · 05-14-2017, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You are right, to a degree, but he was also not used to his potential in the first two years. And the offensive line was not producing enough in the run game.

I agree with that as well.

SmashMouth · 05-14-2017, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You are right, to a degree, but he was also not used to his potential in the first two years. And the offensive line was not producing enough in the run game.

Same line for both, yet differing results when they played together. No doubt he has improved; he should have. The longer he is with the team and continues up the total-yards-for-a-Saints-RB ladder, the more he justifies the two high draft picks used to get him, not that, IMHO, there is ever a justification for any player to use two draft picks to get, except maybe a guy like Jerry Rice or what not.

SaintsSwag · 05-14-2017, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

IMO, this play is why so-called Saints fans have no love for Ingram.

Packers D stuffs Mark Ingram at Goal Line vs Saints at Lambeau 9/8/11 - YouTube

No lsu fans, i mean saints fans have no love for ingram bc he was an alabama running back, not an lsu running back, if ingram went to lsu he would be one of the most beloved saints players this team has had for years, because the man deserves it. I find myself having to post about ingram once a week, bc people on this forum dont trully appreciate what he does for our team. He has gotten better year by year, he lead the league in YAC last year, and in the past 3 years there are only 5 running backs with more yards then Mark Ingram has, and lets face it, if he had the carries all the other running backs had he would have a chance to lead them all, or at least be top 3, It makes me sick, people need to do their homework first before they are quick to say we dont need em.

RANT OVER

WillSaints81 · 05-14-2017, 03:58 PM

Until Ingram shows he can be the alternative to the passing game, I will stick with my view of him. I wanted Ingram in the 11 Draft and was surprised he fell to us. But in games Brees has struggled in, he hasn't played well.

The Dude · 05-14-2017, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

It's about expectation vs reality. You can pull out all the stats you want, facts don't tell the whole story of how perceptions are formed.

And it's about perception.

My perception is that he doesn't have the best vision, he misses holes so big that you could drive an 18 wheeler through them. Secondly, apart from some long runs, he's not consistently making those yards after contact in the way PT23 could. You're supposed to take the extremes into account when dealing with averages.

If he were that great on 3rd down, why isn't he THE guy SP goes to in must-get short yardage situations? Usually it's Brees throwing from the shotgun, cause Ingram's burned him too many times.

He's lucky he's actually begin to perform, a lot of players don't get 3 year cushions to get up to speed.

There are worse, but certainly he's not lived up to his *potential*

The thing about perception is that it is what people see through their own eyes, kind of like an opinion. They are like ass holes and everyone has one.

He's also in a pass first offense that runs by commitee.

WhoDat!656 · 05-14-2017, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

The thing about perception is that it is what people see through their own eyes, kind of like an opinion. They are like ass holes and everyone has one, (and they usually stink)!

He's also in a pass first offense that runs by commitee.

I fixed it for ya!

Danno · 05-14-2017, 04:31 PM

Suck it Ingram bashers. Suck it!

WillMacKenzie · 05-14-2017, 05:09 PM

It's all confirmation bias. All of it. Some guy writes a propaganda piece that should've included a disclaimer that reads, "this ad brought to you by Mark Ingram"

Ingram's hesitation and plowing into the backs of 300 lb linemen drive me nuts. If he would run for daylight like his hair was on fire, he'd get my complete unconditional love. I really want to like him, but he does depend on absolutely perfect blocking and execution to succeed.

I remember him slowing down to run into tiny little Brandon Cooks downfield once, 5 yards away from the end zone, instead of just running towards the corner of the end zone for a TD...

05-14-2017, 01:33 PM	#11
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram When you watch Pierre Thomas highlights he always seemed to squeeze through a hole that didn't exist and come out on the other end five yards down the field. He'd push the pile on 2nd and 8 and get us the first down. What he didn't bring in big play ability on the ground he made up for in consistency and with catching the ball out of the backfield and blocking. Ingram played well last year though. That was the best he ever looked, but I'd be lying if I said he showed that ability the whole time he was here. MatthewT, jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by rezburna When you watch Pierre Thomas highlights he always seemed to squeeze through a hole that didn't exist and come out on the other end five yards down the field. He'd push the pile on 2nd and 8 and get us the first down. What he didn't bring in big play ability on the ground he made up for in consistency and with catching the ball out of the backfield and blocking. Ingram played well last year though. That was the best he ever looked, but I'd be lying if I said he showed that ability the whole time he was here. You are right, to a degree, but he was also not used to his potential in the first two years. And the offensive line was not producing enough in the run game.

05-14-2017, 02:09 PM	#13
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You are right, to a degree, but he was also not used to his potential in the first two years. And the offensive line was not producing enough in the run game. I agree with that as well.

05-14-2017, 02:29 PM	#14
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You are right, to a degree, but he was also not used to his potential in the first two years. And the offensive line was not producing enough in the run game. Same line for both, yet differing results when they played together. No doubt he has improved; he should have. The longer he is with the team and continues up the total-yards-for-a-Saints-RB ladder, the more he justifies the two high draft picks used to get him, not that, IMHO, there is ever a justification for any player to use two draft picks to get, except maybe a guy like Jerry Rice or what not.

05-14-2017, 02:32 PM	#15
SaintsSwag Rookie Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 8	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 IMO, this play is why so-called Saints fans have no love for Ingram. Packers D stuffs Mark Ingram at Goal Line vs Saints at Lambeau 9/8/11 - YouTube No lsu fans, i mean saints fans have no love for ingram bc he was an alabama running back, not an lsu running back, if ingram went to lsu he would be one of the most beloved saints players this team has had for years, because the man deserves it. I find myself having to post about ingram once a week, bc people on this forum dont trully appreciate what he does for our team. He has gotten better year by year, he lead the league in YAC last year, and in the past 3 years there are only 5 running backs with more yards then Mark Ingram has, and lets face it, if he had the carries all the other running backs had he would have a chance to lead them all, or at least be top 3, It makes me sick, people need to do their homework first before they are quick to say we dont need em. RANT OVER jnormand, AsylumGuido, dizzle88 and 1 others like this.
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05-14-2017, 03:58 PM	#16
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Until Ingram shows he can be the alternative to the passing game, I will stick with my view of him. I wanted Ingram in the 11 Draft and was surprised he fell to us. But in games Brees has struggled in, he hasn't played well.

05-14-2017, 04:19 PM	#17
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie It's about expectation vs reality. You can pull out all the stats you want, facts don't tell the whole story of how perceptions are formed. And it's about perception. My perception is that he doesn't have the best vision, he misses holes so big that you could drive an 18 wheeler through them. Secondly, apart from some long runs, he's not consistently making those yards after contact in the way PT23 could. You're supposed to take the extremes into account when dealing with averages. If he were that great on 3rd down, why isn't he THE guy SP goes to in must-get short yardage situations? Usually it's Brees throwing from the shotgun, cause Ingram's burned him too many times. He's lucky he's actually begin to perform, a lot of players don't get 3 year cushions to get up to speed. There are worse, but certainly he's not lived up to his potential The thing about perception is that it is what people see through their own eyes, kind of like an opinion. They are like ass holes and everyone has one. He's also in a pass first offense that runs by commitee. jnormand likes this.
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WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,062	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Originally Posted by The Dude The thing about perception is that it is what people see through their own eyes, kind of like an opinion. They are like ass holes and everyone has one, (and they usually stink)! He's also in a pass first offense that runs by commitee. I fixed it for ya! The Dude likes this.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram Suck it Ingram bashers. Suck it! Rugby Saint II likes this.

05-14-2017, 05:09 PM	#20
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Interesting stats on Mark Ingram It's all confirmation bias. All of it. Some guy writes a propaganda piece that should've included a disclaimer that reads, "this ad brought to you by Mark Ingram" Ingram's hesitation and plowing into the backs of 300 lb linemen drive me nuts. If he would run for daylight like his hair was on fire, he'd get my complete unconditional love. I really want to like him, but he does depend on absolutely perfect blocking and execution to succeed. I remember him slowing down to run into tiny little Brandon Cooks downfield once, 5 yards away from the end zone, instead of just running towards the corner of the end zone for a TD...

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