AsylumGuido

Sorry. I hope you recover some day.

K Major

jnormand

Don't get me started on the MI haters. It's so ridiculous.

jnormand

Tell me a game when Brees hasn't played well that MI had a chance to play well in. If Brees throws pics and has a bad game, we are losing and Payton doesn't run the ball very often.

If you're expecting him to rattle off 20 yard gains with limited touches then you're crazy man.

Secondly, you want him to show you he's a "good alternative​ to the passing game?". How the hell is he going to do that in a system that typically passes first and runs second?

Have you lost your mind?

And last season and the season before he showed he's very effective and a quality back AT THE VERY LEAST.

ChrisXVI

I think maybe some of the problem is that he's had to follow in the footsteps of absolute Saints legends. No words are necessary to describe what Deuce, Reggie or Pierre mean to the franchise. Circumstances have been different with Mark in terms of our team now being on the decline.

jeanpierre

When you get down to it, you can argue the Ingram selection cost this team four draft picks... (updated for clarity )

There was the 2011 second round pick we packaged to get the 2011 first round pick we used...

There was the 2012 first round pick was the other half of the package...

Because we didn't have a 2012 first round pick, Goodell looking for severe punishment, instead took our 2012 and 2013 second round picks...

Now I'm not speaking for every fan, but, for me, that's too much draft capital, especially when I didn't like the pick. Why?

First, he wasn't a first round pick no matter what the color the sky is in your respective universe...

Second, his selection cost us a first AND second round pick, and I'm rarely like Payton/Loomis two-for-ones...

Third, with the extremely rare players of this past 2017 draft, you don't spend a first round pick on Rbs...

Fourth, we had clear, better need/value intersects in that draft way beyond taking a RB, much less Ingram...

Fifth, in what dimension will Sean Payton pound the rock 30 Att/game with Drew Brees as his QB?

Now, until Ingram's extension he was a disappointment of 3 yards and a cloud of dust with missed big play opportunities, conversions...

Despite this, I favored retaining him after the investment in developing him and RB market conditions with a lack of options...

Maybe he's a slow-learner, but somehow he's become a very complementary RB to Payton's offense...

...and his loss would bear strain on what the Saints are trying to do offensively not having an honest RB option...

I'm glad we have him, now. But you'll never hear me say poor Mark as he's been compensated and overly invested...

It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

Seer1

Although, remember in those days JP our draft picks were only worth about 10% of a real draft pick. That means he really only cost us 40% of a pick...

ChrisXVI

I don't understand criticizing him for where he was drafted or that we traded up to get him. He had no say in that and it wasn't his decision.

jeanpierre

Bullshinski. He was not effective and often was lost running into the back of offensive linemen...

And by the way, his rookie season he had All-Pros, not just Probowlers, but All-Pros, the top guards in the league to run behind in Nicks and Evans...

That didn't have **** to do with his alma mater...

Most people HATE Ohio State down here, don't tell me we're not pulling for Lattimore, Bell, and Thomas to succeed once they don the Black and Gold...

jeanpierre

Well, let me be clear as we've had this discussion in other threads...

I criticize the pick, not the player, and those reasons I laid out do not lay it all at his feet...

And he's developed into the RB this offense needs, but he wasn't the RB we needed nor should have spent those picks to acquire...

It's as much, if not more, a criticism of Payton/Loomis than Ingram; and I've updated the post to make that point clearer which y'all are right to point out...