Payton need to go?

saintfan · 09-12-2017, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

No holes = no run game

Not that difficult to understand

Right. We don't run block well. I don't remember when we did.

Utah_Saint · 09-12-2017, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Right. We don't run block well. I don't remember when we did.

Last season, footballoutsiders rated the Saints with the best run blocking line in the league.

5th in the league in pass blocking.

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saintfan · 09-13-2017, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Last season, footballoutsiders rated the Saints with the best run blocking line in the league.

5th in the league in pass blocking.

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2016 OFFENSIVE LINES

Well maybe that's why they're outsiders. Lol

Utah_Saint · 09-13-2017, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Well maybe that's why they're outsiders. Lol

Yeah, maybe.

They're pretty good. They came up with the DVOA system (Defense-adjusted Value Over Average) that a lot of teams use in the offseason to figure out how bad a problem is.

Basically, when measuring how an offense performed, they don't value each defense the same. For example, if you threw for 300 yards against the Saints, it's not nearly as impressive as throwing for 300 against the Broncos, because just about everybody throws well against the Saints. They use what everybody else got passing against the Saints as the standard. So 250 against the Broncos defense might be better than 350 against the Saints defense.

saintfan · 09-13-2017, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Yeah, maybe.

They're pretty good. They came up with the DVOA system (Defense-adjusted Value Over Average) that a lot of teams use in the offseason to figure out how bad a problem is.

Basically, when measuring how an offense performed, they don't value each defense the same. For example, if you threw for 300 yards against the Saints, it's not nearly as impressive as throwing for 300 against the Broncos, because just about everybody throws well against the Saints. They use what everybody else got passing against the Saints as the standard. So 250 against the Broncos defense might be better than 350 against the Saints defense.

I know. I'm not throwing rocks. It's just that I watch this team. We watch this team. We are not a good running team and haven't been in a long time. Personally I don't think it's the fault of any of our backs really - I mean we miss Deuce, but Mark Ingram is a good back - there have been others, we just don't run well overall.

09-12-2017, 07:39 PM	#1
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by Danno No holes = no run game Not that difficult to understand Right. We don't run block well. I don't remember when we did.

09-12-2017, 08:17 PM	#2
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by saintfan Right. We don't run block well. I don't remember when we did. Last season, footballoutsiders rated the Saints with the best run blocking line in the league. 5th in the league in pass blocking. FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis \| 2016 OFFENSIVE LINES

09-13-2017, 12:36 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Last season, footballoutsiders rated the Saints with the best run blocking line in the league. 5th in the league in pass blocking. FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis \| 2016 OFFENSIVE LINES Well maybe that's why they're outsiders. Lol

09-13-2017, 01:39 PM	#4
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by saintfan Well maybe that's why they're outsiders. Lol Yeah, maybe. They're pretty good. They came up with the DVOA system (Defense-adjusted Value Over Average) that a lot of teams use in the offseason to figure out how bad a problem is. Basically, when measuring how an offense performed, they don't value each defense the same. For example, if you threw for 300 yards against the Saints, it's not nearly as impressive as throwing for 300 against the Broncos, because just about everybody throws well against the Saints. They use what everybody else got passing against the Saints as the standard. So 250 against the Broncos defense might be better than 350 against the Saints defense.

09-13-2017, 01:47 PM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Yeah, maybe. They're pretty good. They came up with the DVOA system (Defense-adjusted Value Over Average) that a lot of teams use in the offseason to figure out how bad a problem is. Basically, when measuring how an offense performed, they don't value each defense the same. For example, if you threw for 300 yards against the Saints, it's not nearly as impressive as throwing for 300 against the Broncos, because just about everybody throws well against the Saints. They use what everybody else got passing against the Saints as the standard. So 250 against the Broncos defense might be better than 350 against the Saints defense. I know. I'm not throwing rocks. It's just that I watch this team. We watch this team. We are not a good running team and haven't been in a long time. Personally I don't think it's the fault of any of our backs really - I mean we miss Deuce, but Mark Ingram is a good back - there have been others, we just don't run well overall.

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