2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

SmashMouth · 04-29-2018, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Well, we may not have a Pro-Bowl level Tight End on the roster, the competition should be pretty d*mn keen this summer...

Ben Watson vs Coby Fleener - at the very least, this may be what Fleener needs to shake the pixie dust out of his eyes...

Deon Yelder vs Josh Hill - Hill seemed to get off-track for a while and now we find out if Yelder was legit or a beneficiary of Mike White...

Nate Wozniak vs Michael Hoomanawanui - Hoo has stayed healthy only one season, a younger blocking TE could solve the availability issue...

And save cap $ by going younger and UDFA.

jeanpierre · 04-29-2018, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

And save cap $ by going younger and UDFA.

True. But most of our expensive TEs really aren't costing much or we don't have long-term commitments...

Trust will be the key theme for the Tight End position over the summer as we get ready for a SB run this Fall...

SmashMouth · 04-30-2018, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

True. But most of our expensive TEs really aren't costing much or we don't have long-term commitments...

Trust will be the key theme for the Tight End position over the summer as we get ready for a SB run this Fall...

What if we cut Fleecer?

jeanpierre · 05-01-2018, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

What if we cut Fleecer?

Well, these are the questions I'm asking myself when considering that move...

First, is he an imminent threat, problem, or impediment to the team's success and chemistry?

Second, is there a currently a player available who would have more of an impact, even at another position, whereby that money could be spent?

Third, has the team, players, coaches, and support staff, done all it could to make him and this team better?

In so far as the first question, he hasn't necessarily been a problem, but some players may or may not have taken to him...

To the second question, the Saints were willing to give Fleener's pay slot to Jimmy Graham, but not a penny more, so there wasn't anyone else on the market better...

And to the last question, the Drew Factor doesn't seem to have helped Fleener and maybe Payton didn't draw a clear path plan for what he envisioned for Fleener with the Saints...

Would I have like to have upgraded Tight End? Yes.

Do I think the Saints should have maybe sweetened the pot for Graham? Possibly, but I respected their discipline (until they lost it in the Draft)...

He's an experienced Tight End who's biggest challenge is consistency - find that cause, see if it's fixable both on his and the team's part...

But let the competition play out and see if he's one of the Top 3 Tight Ends when we break camp...

Let him win or lose the roster spot at this point - don't keep it to "develop" another player - Jim Mora did that for the league for years...

jeanpierre · 04-30-2018, 05:40 PM

ChrisXVI · 05-01-2018, 12:18 PM

Curious to see how it goes with Payton saying they see Natrell Jamerson as an outside CB.

K Major · 05-01-2018, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Curious to see how it goes with Payton saying they see Natrell Jamerson as an outside CB.

True. Looks like a very versatile (WR/CB & S) player. I wonder if he's that guy who pushes Crawley at camp ?

His versatility could win him a job on the 53 man roster.

jeanpierre · 05-02-2018, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Curious to see how it goes with Payton saying they see Natrell Jamerson as an outside CB.

Wisconsin moved him to Safety and he flourished; he was an absolute ball hawk at the Senior Bowl as a Safety...

So now Payton wants to prove he can outthink everyone by playing him at Safety? Wow.

This reminds me of Mora in his later years where he wanted to make rocket science out of football...

CheramieIII · 05-01-2018, 12:39 PM

I think there will be alot of competition in training camp and that's a good thing. Put the runner ups on the practice squad for emergencies like last year.

CheramieIII · 05-01-2018, 04:32 PM

I really think the team strengthened the roster tremendously this off season. Meredith, Savage, Clapp, Leonard, Davis, Coleman, Davenport, Smith and look at the guys we're getting back. I feel good about the season right now. I still think we need to sign Hankins on a one year deal and a DT with our first pick next year.

04-29-2018, 09:02 PM	#1
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,803 Blog Entries: 29	Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Well, we may not have a Pro-Bowl level Tight End on the roster, the competition should be pretty d*mn keen this summer... Ben Watson vs Coby Fleener - at the very least, this may be what Fleener needs to shake the pixie dust out of his eyes... Deon Yelder vs Josh Hill - Hill seemed to get off-track for a while and now we find out if Yelder was legit or a beneficiary of Mike White... Nate Wozniak vs Michael Hoomanawanui - Hoo has stayed healthy only one season, a younger blocking TE could solve the availability issue... And save cap $ by going younger and UDFA. jeanpierre likes this.

04-29-2018, 11:56 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by SmashMouth And save cap $ by going younger and UDFA. True. But most of our expensive TEs really aren't costing much or we don't have long-term commitments... Trust will be the key theme for the Tight End position over the summer as we get ready for a SB run this Fall...

04-30-2018, 05:41 PM	#3
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,803 Blog Entries: 29	Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre True. But most of our expensive TEs really aren't costing much or we don't have long-term commitments... Trust will be the key theme for the Tight End position over the summer as we get ready for a SB run this Fall... What if we cut Fleecer?

05-01-2018, 12:11 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by SmashMouth What if we cut Fleecer? Well, these are the questions I'm asking myself when considering that move... First, is he an imminent threat, problem, or impediment to the team's success and chemistry? Second, is there a currently a player available who would have more of an impact, even at another position, whereby that money could be spent? Third, has the team, players, coaches, and support staff, done all it could to make him and this team better? In so far as the first question, he hasn't necessarily been a problem, but some players may or may not have taken to him... To the second question, the Saints were willing to give Fleener's pay slot to Jimmy Graham, but not a penny more, so there wasn't anyone else on the market better... And to the last question, the Drew Factor doesn't seem to have helped Fleener and maybe Payton didn't draw a clear path plan for what he envisioned for Fleener with the Saints... Would I have like to have upgraded Tight End? Yes. Do I think the Saints should have maybe sweetened the pot for Graham? Possibly, but I respected their discipline (until they lost it in the Draft)... He's an experienced Tight End who's biggest challenge is consistency - find that cause, see if it's fixable both on his and the team's part... But let the competition play out and see if he's one of the Top 3 Tight Ends when we break camp... Let him win or lose the roster spot at this point - don't keep it to "develop" another player - Jim Mora did that for the league for years...
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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Curious to see how it goes with Payton saying they see Natrell Jamerson as an outside CB. K Major likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Curious to see how it goes with Payton saying they see Natrell Jamerson as an outside CB. True. Looks like a very versatile (WR/CB & S) player. I wonder if he's that guy who pushes Crawley at camp ? His versatility could win him a job on the 53 man roster. CheramieIII likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Curious to see how it goes with Payton saying they see Natrell Jamerson as an outside CB. Wisconsin moved him to Safety and he flourished; he was an absolute ball hawk at the Senior Bowl as a Safety... So now Payton wants to prove he can outthink everyone by playing him at Safety? Wow. This reminds me of Mora in his later years where he wanted to make rocket science out of football...

05-01-2018, 12:39 PM	#9
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,496 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook I think there will be alot of competition in training camp and that's a good thing. Put the runner ups on the practice squad for emergencies like last year. K Major likes this.

05-01-2018, 04:32 PM	#10
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,496 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook I really think the team strengthened the roster tremendously this off season. Meredith, Savage, Clapp, Leonard, Davis, Coleman, Davenport, Smith and look at the guys we're getting back. I feel good about the season right now. I still think we need to sign Hankins on a one year deal and a DT with our first pick next year.

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