Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2018, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

If they have proven anything is that they are willing to trade a pick next year in order to get a talent like Kamara.

After the past couple of drafts with Ireland... I have to say we may have the DROY.

And that could very well happen with Cam Jordan on the opposite side. Bradley Chubb, to whom Davenport has been compared, had three other defensive linemen lined up beside him that ALL went in the draft. Davenport did what he did on an island with little help whatsoever. Wait until he lines up with Jordan, Sheldon Rankins and a Tyeler Davison. He is going to see a lot of one on one situations that he's going to feast upon.

SmashMouth · 04-30-2018, 01:26 PM

Good write up here...

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/20/1...couting-report

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2018, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Good write up here...

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/20/1...couting-report

By this time next year the talking heads may be talking about how we stole Davenport in the draft. How about Defensive ROY and Super Bowl MVP?

|Mitch| · 04-30-2018, 03:38 PM

Has any team had the DROY in back to back years?

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2018, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Has any team had the DROY in back to back years?

Yes. The 2017-2018 New Orleans Saints. Seriously, no.

Edit:

It must be noted that one team did have co-DROY's in one year, however:

1980 - Buddy Curry, Atlanta, LB, and Al Richardson, Atlanta, LB

Seer1 · 05-06-2018, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yes. The 2017-2018 New Orleans Saints. Seriously, no.

Edit:

It must be noted that one team did have co-DROY's in one year, however:

1980 - Buddy Curry, Atlanta, LB, and Al Richardson, Atlanta, LB

And that was the year they won the Super Bowl!

Oh... wait........!

jeanpierre · 05-06-2018, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Good write up here...

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/20/1...couting-report

Plus-one - probably the best scouting I've seen on Marcus Davenport. And I have more respect for the article as it was written by a former player...

But the article still didn't account for Davenport's lack of adversity, that is, he didn't face any opposition of consequence in college - until Mobile...

Still vehemently HATE using two first round picks as I'd prefer the disciplined approach - Take what options come to us in our original first round slot...

Plus, next year's draft will be loaded with edge rushers, including Bosa's brother; the more darts you have, the more bulls-eyes you can hit...

But reading this artlcle did offer some salve from the draft; and, at the end of the day, the full evaluation takes when Davenport lines up this Fall...

Seer1 · 05-06-2018, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Plus-one - probably the best scouting I've seen on Marcus Davenport. And I have more respect for it as it was written by a former player...

Article still didn't account for Davenport's lack of adversity, that is, he didn't face any opposition of consequence in college - until Mobile...

Still vehemently HATE using two first round picks as I'd prefer the disciplined approach - Take what options to us in our original first round slot...

Plus, next year's draft will be loaded with edge rushers, including Bosa's brother; the more darts you have, the more bullseyes you can hit...

But reading this artlcle did offer some salve from the draft; and, at the end of the day, the full evaluation takes when he lines up this Fall...

I'm thinking right now the Saints are year to year with Drew and they're going to keep sacrificing next year for a chance at a ring with Drew this year.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 05-06-2018, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Still vehemently HATE using two first round picks as I'd prefer the disciplined approach - Take what options to us in our original first round slot...

Plus, next year's draft will be loaded with edge rushers, including Bosa's brother; the more darts you have, the more bullseyes you can hit...

But reading this artlcle did offer some salve from the draft; and, at the end of the day, the full evaluation takes when he lines up this Fall...

It's all a value proposition. First is whether or not Davenport has the value to be picked at the spot. There were numerous predraft articles that had Davenport as a top ten pick to the likes of the Colts at 6, the Bears at 8, and San Francisco at 9, along with Green Bay where he was eventually picked at 14.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/...0-12518950.php

More Buzz Builds Around Marcus Davenport, Who Reportedly Met With Bears on Pre-Draft Visit

Next is the value of the trade. This is Rich Hill's modern NFL draft value chart:

It shows #14 with a value of 325.31 and #27 @ 215.81 leaving a remaining 109.50./ The 5th round #147 is worth 12.66 leaving 96.84 left. Conventional wisdom is to value a pick next year 32 slots below its current value this year. The 96.84 is between the 24th and 25th pick in the 2nd round. So the 1st next year matches a 24-25 pick for next year.

As for on field performance, Give it 3-4 years. If the kid turns out to be a Pro Bowl/All Pro prospect, then the fact that there are pass rushers next year really won't matter, will it?

SFIAH

jeanpierre · 05-06-2018, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

As for on field performance, Give it 3-4 years. If the kid turns out to be a Pro Bowl/All Pro prospect, then the fact that there are pass rushers next year really won't matter, will it?

SFIAH

Appreciate the post. But folks lose me when arguing in support of the pick with Give it 3-4 years - that is where I have a problem...

This isn't a Franchise Quarterback - Defensive End isn't even close...

For two first round picks, we should be getting sixteen to twenty sacks and constant, consistent pressure...

There are several ways to generate pressure on the quarterback and there were Defensive Tackles and Defensive Ends on the board at 27 and later...

I'd rather had dedicated the draft, or at least four to five picks, and rotated the defensive lines every series like they rotate in Hockey...

And let those rotating guys play with more rpms and wear down the opponents' offensive lines keeping our defensive lines fresh, going with the hot options...

04-30-2018, 03:34 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,760	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by SmashMouth Good write up here... https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/20/1...couting-report By this time next year the talking heads may be talking about how we stole Davenport in the draft. How about Defensive ROY and Super Bowl MVP? Crusader, Rugby Saint II and CharityMike like this.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Has any team had the DROY in back to back years?

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,760	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Has any team had the DROY in back to back years? Yes. The 2017-2018 New Orleans Saints. Seriously, no. Edit: It must be noted that one team did have co-DROY's in one year, however: 1980 - Buddy Curry, Atlanta, LB, and Al Richardson, Atlanta, LB

05-06-2018, 10:32 AM	#6
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yes. The 2017-2018 New Orleans Saints. Seriously, no. Edit: It must be noted that one team did have co-DROY's in one year, however: 1980 - Buddy Curry, Atlanta, LB, and Al Richardson, Atlanta, LB And that was the year they won the Super Bowl! Oh... wait........! AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by SmashMouth Good write up here... https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/20/1...couting-report Plus-one - probably the best scouting I've seen on Marcus Davenport. And I have more respect for the article as it was written by a former player... But the article still didn't account for Davenport's lack of adversity, that is, he didn't face any opposition of consequence in college - until Mobile... Still vehemently HATE using two first round picks as I'd prefer the disciplined approach - Take what options come to us in our original first round slot... Plus, next year's draft will be loaded with edge rushers, including Bosa's brother; the more darts you have, the more bulls-eyes you can hit... But reading this artlcle did offer some salve from the draft; and, at the end of the day, the full evaluation takes when Davenport lines up this Fall... ChrisXVI likes this.
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04-30-2018, 10:46 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,760	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by Euphoria If they have proven anything is that they are willing to trade a pick next year in order to get a talent like Kamara. After the past couple of drafts with Ireland... I have to say we may have the DROY. And that could very well happen with Cam Jordan on the opposite side. Bradley Chubb, to whom Davenport has been compared, had three other defensive linemen lined up beside him that ALL went in the draft. Davenport did what he did on an island with little help whatsoever. Wait until he lines up with Jordan, Sheldon Rankins and a Tyeler Davison. He is going to see a lot of one on one situations that he's going to feast upon. CharityMike likes this.

04-30-2018, 01:26 PM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,019 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Good write up here... https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/20/1...couting-report ChrisXVI likes this.

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Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by jeanpierre Plus-one - probably the best scouting I've seen on Marcus Davenport. And I have more respect for it as it was written by a former player... Article still didn't account for Davenport's lack of adversity, that is, he didn't face any opposition of consequence in college - until Mobile... Still vehemently HATE using two first round picks as I'd prefer the disciplined approach - Take what options to us in our original first round slot... Plus, next year's draft will be loaded with edge rushers, including Bosa's brother; the more darts you have, the more bullseyes you can hit... But reading this artlcle did offer some salve from the draft; and, at the end of the day, the full evaluation takes when he lines up this Fall... I'm thinking right now the Saints are year to year with Drew and they're going to keep sacrificing next year for a chance at a ring with Drew this year.

05-06-2018, 07:54 PM	#9
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,787	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by jeanpierre Still vehemently HATE using two first round picks as I'd prefer the disciplined approach - Take what options to us in our original first round slot... Plus, next year's draft will be loaded with edge rushers, including Bosa's brother; the more darts you have, the more bullseyes you can hit... But reading this artlcle did offer some salve from the draft; and, at the end of the day, the full evaluation takes when he lines up this Fall... It's all a value proposition. First is whether or not Davenport has the value to be picked at the spot. There were numerous predraft articles that had Davenport as a top ten pick to the likes of the Colts at 6, the Bears at 8, and San Francisco at 9, along with Green Bay where he was eventually picked at 14. https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/...0-12518950.php More Buzz Builds Around Marcus Davenport, Who Reportedly Met With Bears on Pre-Draft Visit Next is the value of the trade. This is Rich Hill's modern NFL draft value chart: It shows #14 with a value of 325.31 and #27 @ 215.81 leaving a remaining 109.50./ The 5th round #147 is worth 12.66 leaving 96.84 left. Conventional wisdom is to value a pick next year 32 slots below its current value this year. The 96.84 is between the 24th and 25th pick in the 2nd round. So the 1st next year matches a 24-25 pick for next year. As for on field performance, Give it 3-4 years. If the kid turns out to be a Pro Bowl/All Pro prospect, then the fact that there are pass rushers next year really won't matter, will it? SFIAH jeanpierre, homerj07 and K Major like this.
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05-06-2018, 11:06 PM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL As for on field performance, Give it 3-4 years. If the kid turns out to be a Pro Bowl/All Pro prospect, then the fact that there are pass rushers next year really won't matter, will it? SFIAH Appreciate the post. But folks lose me when arguing in support of the pick with Give it 3-4 years - that is where I have a problem... This isn't a Franchise Quarterback - Defensive End isn't even close... For two first round picks, we should be getting sixteen to twenty sacks and constant, consistent pressure... There are several ways to generate pressure on the quarterback and there were Defensive Tackles and Defensive Ends on the board at 27 and later... I'd rather had dedicated the draft, or at least four to five picks, and rotated the defensive lines every series like they rotate in Hockey... And let those rotating guys play with more rpms and wear down the opponents' offensive lines keeping our defensive lines fresh, going with the hot options...
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