Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round

AsylumGuido · 05-07-2018, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Appreciate the post. But folks lose me when arguing in support of the pick with Give it 3-4 years - that is where I have a problem...

This isn't a Franchise Quarterback - Defensive End isn't even close...

For two first round picks, we should be getting sixteen to twenty sacks and constant, consistent pressure...

There are several ways to generate pressure on the quarterback and there were Defensive Tackles and Defensive Ends on the board at 27 and later...

I'd rather had dedicated the draft, or at least four to five picks, and rotated the defensive lines every series like they rotate in Hockey...

And let those rotating guys play with more rpms and wear down the opponents' offensive lines keeping our defensive lines fresh, going with the hot options...

I have to agree with you on this fact, JP. But, I am all in on trading the 2019 first rounder because I expect Davenport to have an immediate impact. And I honestly feel that Payton, Loomis, Allen AND Neilsen feel the exact same way and that is the reason they made the move. I have little doubt they tried to package a deal where it didn't include the future first. The Packers likely have as much confidence in the Saints going deep into the playoffs this year and were not interested in a second rounder that could easily be outside the first sixty picks of the draft. With Chubb gone there was probably not another potentially impact worthy DE on their board. They probably even approached other franchises in the attempt to move up. But, sometimes, if you believe in something strongly enough you must step outside the box a bit to get things done.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 05-07-2018, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Appreciate the post. But folks lose me when arguing in support of the pick with Give it 3-4 years - that is where I have a problem...

By this I mean that you cannot assess the impact of a player as a rookie. Not everyone is going to be Lattimore and Kamara.

Ingram is a perfect example of this. Since he wasn't the 2nd coming of Gayle Sayers in a 2007 Adrian Peterson body when as a rookie (again on another trade up) he was instantly labeled a bust. But his performance over the last few years has frankly been exceptional considering the RB climate he plays in.

This isn't a Franchise Quarterback - Defensive End isn't even close...

Tell that to Vaughn Miller. The guy literally won SB50 by himself, taking out a franchise QB and #1 pick.

And those are the types of guys that Davenport is being compared to...

For two first round picks, we should be getting sixteen to twenty sacks and constant, consistent pressure...

Like JJ Watt, another that I've seen Davenport compared to.

There are several ways to generate pressure on the quarterback and there were Defensive Tackles and Defensive Ends on the board at 27 and later...

I'd rather had dedicated the draft, or at least four to five picks, and rotated the defensive lines every series like they rotate in Hockey...

And let those rotating guys play with more rpms and wear down the opponents' offensive lines keeping our defensive lines fresh, going with the hot options...

I don't think that's effective with gameday roster limitations. Also it takes exceptional talent to override most NFL O-line's ability to manage the rush.

SFIAH

K Major · 05-07-2018, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

As for on field performance, Give it 3-4 years. If the kid turns out to be a Pro Bowl/All Pro prospect, then the fact that there are pass rushers next year really won't matter, will it?

SFIAH

Precisely.

He's a Saint now and that's all that matters. I trust the front office on this move. If he turns into the next Julius Peppers, no one will care what it took to get Marcus in the 2018 Draft.

Rugby Saint II · 05-05-2018, 02:47 PM

The more I read about Davenport the more excited I am to see him in the black and gold. I love his demeanor. He comes across as a very intelligent hard working young man who is willing to put in the time to hone his craft. Who Dat!

Thirty3 · 05-05-2018, 02:56 PM

WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?!! Woof Woof Woof Woof
WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?!! Woof Woof Woof Woof
WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?!! Woof Woof Woof Woof
Hoping Marcus and Cam bring out the chant! I believe we've got a great defense if everyone is healthy.

QBREES9 · 05-05-2018, 09:01 PM

https://sports.yahoo.com/m/0558d1ac-...pensation.html

SmashMouth · 05-07-2018, 07:49 AM

Saints see pass rusher as a premium position like quarterback, left tackle, cornerback – ProFootballTalk

K Major · 05-07-2018, 11:55 AM

Quick read on Marcus D & the importance of getting him early in the draft.

Saints see pass rusher as a premium position like quarterback, left tackle, cornerback – ProFootballTalk

jeanpierre · 05-07-2018, 04:09 PM

Guido and others made the point that we really don't know until they put the pads on in the Fall and they start playing how good a move it was...

Will be comparing Davenport to DT Taven Bryan, NT Harrison Phillips, DE Breeland Speaks, DE Rasheem Green, DE Jalyn Holmes - even DT Maurice Hurts among others...

And then we'll be on better footing to discuss the move to get Davenport...

05-07-2018, 08:17 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,477	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by jeanpierre Appreciate the post. But folks lose me when arguing in support of the pick with Give it 3-4 years - that is where I have a problem... This isn't a Franchise Quarterback - Defensive End isn't even close... For two first round picks, we should be getting sixteen to twenty sacks and constant, consistent pressure... There are several ways to generate pressure on the quarterback and there were Defensive Tackles and Defensive Ends on the board at 27 and later... I'd rather had dedicated the draft, or at least four to five picks, and rotated the defensive lines every series like they rotate in Hockey... And let those rotating guys play with more rpms and wear down the opponents' offensive lines keeping our defensive lines fresh, going with the hot options... I have to agree with you on this fact, JP. But, I am all in on trading the 2019 first rounder because I expect Davenport to have an immediate impact. And I honestly feel that Payton, Loomis, Allen AND Neilsen feel the exact same way and that is the reason they made the move. I have little doubt they tried to package a deal where it didn't include the future first. The Packers likely have as much confidence in the Saints going deep into the playoffs this year and were not interested in a second rounder that could easily be outside the first sixty picks of the draft. With Chubb gone there was probably not another potentially impact worthy DE on their board. They probably even approached other franchises in the attempt to move up. But, sometimes, if you believe in something strongly enough you must step outside the box a bit to get things done. jeanpierre, WW_Who_Dat and K Major like this.
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05-07-2018, 09:38 AM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by jeanpierre *Appreciate the post. But folks lose me when arguing in support of the pick with Give it 3-4 years* - that is where I have a problem... By this I mean that you cannot assess the impact of a player as a rookie. Not everyone is going to be Lattimore and Kamara. Ingram is a perfect example of this. Since he wasn't the 2nd coming of Gayle Sayers in a 2007 Adrian Peterson body when as a rookie (again on another trade up) he was instantly labeled a bust. But his performance over the last few years has frankly been exceptional considering the RB climate he plays in. This isn't a Franchise Quarterback - Defensive End isn't even close... Tell that to Vaughn Miller. The guy literally won SB50 by himself, taking out a franchise QB and #1 pick. And those are the types of guys that Davenport is being compared to... For two first round picks, we should be getting sixteen to twenty sacks and constant, consistent pressure...** Like JJ Watt, another that I've seen Davenport compared to. There are several ways to generate pressure on the quarterback and there were Defensive Tackles and Defensive Ends on the board at 27 and later... I'd rather had dedicated the draft, or at least four to five picks, and rotated the defensive lines every series like they rotate in Hockey... And let those rotating guys play with more rpms and wear down the opponents' offensive lines keeping our defensive lines fresh, going with the hot options... I don't think that's effective with gameday roster limitations. Also it takes exceptional talent to override most NFL O-line's ability to manage the rush. SFIAH Danno, AsylumGuido and K Major like this.
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05-07-2018, 08:12 AM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,078 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL As for on field performance, Give it 3-4 years. If the kid turns out to be a Pro Bowl/All Pro prospect, then the fact that there are pass rushers next year really won't matter, will it? SFIAH Precisely. He's a Saint now and that's all that matters. I trust the front office on this move. If he turns into the next Julius Peppers, no one will care what it took to get Marcus in the 2018 Draft. AsylumGuido likes this.

05-05-2018, 02:47 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,792	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round The more I read about Davenport the more excited I am to see him in the black and gold. I love his demeanor. He comes across as a very intelligent hard working young man who is willing to put in the time to hone his craft. Who Dat! K Major and MarchingOn like this.

05-05-2018, 02:56 PM	#5
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,253	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?!! Woof Woof Woof Woof WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?!! Woof Woof Woof Woof WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?!! Woof Woof Woof Woof Hoping Marcus and Cam bring out the chant! I believe we've got a great defense if everyone is healthy.
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05-05-2018, 09:01 PM	#6
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05-07-2018, 07:49 AM	#7
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05-07-2018, 11:55 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,078 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Quick read on Marcus D & the importance of getting him early in the draft. Saints see pass rusher as a premium position like quarterback, left tackle, cornerback – ProFootballTalk

05-07-2018, 04:09 PM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Guido and others made the point that we really don't know until they put the pads on in the Fall and they start playing how good a move it was... Will be comparing Davenport to DT Taven Bryan, NT Harrison Phillips, DE Breeland Speaks, DE Rasheem Green, DE Jalyn Holmes - even DT Maurice Hurts among others... And then we'll be on better footing to discuss the move to get Davenport...
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