I’m not sexist

AsylumGuido · 09-12-2018, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Actually it's a lie. It had been demonstrated over and over. They're taking all jobs and figuring the money earned over all fields and putting it into one pile. Women choose to work in fields that offer naturally lower compensation. When you take a male and female engineer with the same time in the field and working the same hours the compensation is near identical.

Being Intentionally dishonest about something is shameful.

I beg to differ. The numbers are based upon equivalent job ranges in equivalent industries as reported in US Census data. But, your mind will never be changed, so ...

burningmetal · 09-12-2018, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

As a fan of women's college basketball I have been listening to Mowins call games for almost 25 years. Her voice has always held that same timber. It is how she has always talked. Perhaps it is the fact that I am so used to her call that I didn't even notice anything out of place in her call this Monday.

That said, I really don't have any issue with any play-by-play or color announcer. To me they are nothing more than background noise sharing information while I am watching the game.

I'm sure she has been using the same voice for a long time. That doesn't have anything to do with the point that she exaggerates for the "TV voice". Lot's of announcers do it, and they all annoy me.

That's fine if it doesn't annoy you. To each their own, and such.

frydaddy · 09-12-2018, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I beg to differ. The numbers are based upon equivalent job ranges in equivalent industries as reported in US Census data. But, your mind will never be changed, so ...

I am not particularly well versed in this subject and even I know this to be false.

spkb25 · 09-12-2018, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I beg to differ. The numbers are based upon equivalent job ranges in equivalent industries as reported in US Census data. But, your mind will never be changed, so ...

It's actually not taking into account the hours worked, full time vs part time, years in the field, and the actual position.

Again, it's a lie

spkb25 · 09-12-2018, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'm sure she has been using the same voice for a long time. That doesn't have anything to do with the point that she exaggerates for the "TV voice". Lot's of announcers do it, and they all annoy me.

That's fine if it doesn't annoy you. To each their own, and such.

So it should be except when the person is a woman. Apparently then you must enjoy her or you're sexist.

AsylumGuido · 09-12-2018, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

I am not particularly well versed in this subject and even I know this to be false.

Originally Posted by spkb25

It's actually not taking into account the hours worked, full time vs part time, years in the field, and the actual position.

Again, it's a lie

Read the note at the bottom.

The overall gender pay ratio compares the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round. The gender pay gap in dollars is the difference between the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round.

This is just one of many breakdowns. You obviously didn't look at, or didn't comprehend, the link I provided.

The Dude · 09-12-2018, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

This is amusing listening to a bunch of guys bag on one of the first female game callers and then worry they will be called sexist.

"Some things should be left to tradition" says it all.

Guess what? Traditionally, women couldn't own property in the United States.

Women still make only $.80 for every $1 a man earns. That means that a woman will have to work a decade longer to earn as much as a man.

Fun fact: A 1600s law in Massachusetts proscribed that a woman suffer the same punishment as a witch if they "tempted" man into marriage by wearing high-heeled shoes.

Woman couldn’t get credit cards until the 70s either. It wasn’t even as much the fact that she is a woman than the fact that it just wasn’t entertaining. I like a lot of the sideline reporters.
I like the tradition of football. The intro music, the NFL emblem graphics, etc. I just prefer the male announcers. The whole broadcast lacked intensity. Reminded me of a preseason game.

AsylumGuido · 09-12-2018, 10:36 AM

And, again ... read the note ...

Shows median earnings for full time, year-round female workers as a percent of similar male workers.

Remember, these numbers all come from the US Census Bureau.

spkb25 · 09-12-2018, 10:40 AM

And again hours worked, years in the field, and actual job and position are not taken into account. It is a lie

spkb25 · 09-12-2018, 10:41 AM

Women study and naturally choose lower earning fields.

09-12-2018, 09:39 AM	#31
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by spkb25 Actually it's a lie. It had been demonstrated over and over. They're taking all jobs and figuring the money earned over all fields and putting it into one pile. Women choose to work in fields that offer naturally lower compensation. When you take a male and female engineer with the same time in the field and working the same hours the compensation is near identical. Being Intentionally dishonest about something is shameful. I beg to differ. The numbers are based upon equivalent job ranges in equivalent industries as reported in US Census data. But, your mind will never be changed, so ...

09-12-2018, 09:48 AM	#32
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by AsylumGuido As a fan of women's college basketball I have been listening to Mowins call games for almost 25 years. Her voice has always held that same timber. It is how she has always talked. Perhaps it is the fact that I am so used to her call that I didn't even notice anything out of place in her call this Monday. That said, I really don't have any issue with any play-by-play or color announcer. To me they are nothing more than background noise sharing information while I am watching the game. I'm sure she has been using the same voice for a long time. That doesn't have anything to do with the point that she exaggerates for the "TV voice". Lot's of announcers do it, and they all annoy me. That's fine if it doesn't annoy you. To each their own, and such.

09-12-2018, 10:02 AM	#33
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,950 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I beg to differ. The numbers are based upon equivalent job ranges in equivalent industries as reported in US Census data. But, your mind will never be changed, so ... I am not particularly well versed in this subject and even I know this to be false. spkb25 likes this.

09-12-2018, 10:10 AM	#34
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I beg to differ. The numbers are based upon equivalent job ranges in equivalent industries as reported in US Census data. But, your mind will never be changed, so ... It's actually not taking into account the hours worked, full time vs part time, years in the field, and the actual position. Again, it's a lie FinSaint likes this.

09-12-2018, 10:12 AM	#35
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by burningmetal I'm sure she has been using the same voice for a long time. That doesn't have anything to do with the point that she exaggerates for the "TV voice". Lot's of announcers do it, and they all annoy me. That's fine if it doesn't annoy you. To each their own, and such. So it should be except when the person is a woman. Apparently then you must enjoy her or you're sexist.

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09-12-2018, 10:32 AM	#36
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by frydaddy I am not particularly well versed in this subject and even I know this to be false. Originally Posted by spkb25 It's actually not taking into account the hours worked, full time vs part time, years in the field, and the actual position. Again, it's a lie Read the note at the bottom. The overall gender pay ratio compares the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round. The gender pay gap in dollars is the difference between the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round. This is just one of many breakdowns. You obviously didn't look at, or didn't comprehend, the link I provided. rezburna and WHODATINCA like this.

09-12-2018, 10:34 AM	#37
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by WHODATINCA This is amusing listening to a bunch of guys bag on one of the first female game callers and then worry they will be called sexist. "Some things should be left to tradition" says it all. Guess what? Traditionally, women couldn't own property in the United States. Women still make only $.80 for every $1 a man earns. That means that a woman will have to work a decade longer to earn as much as a man. Fun fact: A 1600s law in Massachusetts proscribed that a woman suffer the same punishment as a witch if they "tempted" man into marriage by wearing high-heeled shoes. Woman couldn’t get credit cards until the 70s either. It wasn’t even as much the fact that she is a woman than the fact that it just wasn’t entertaining. I like a lot of the sideline reporters. I like the tradition of football. The intro music, the NFL emblem graphics, etc. I just prefer the male announcers. The whole broadcast lacked intensity. Reminded me of a preseason game.
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09-12-2018, 10:36 AM	#38
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: I’m not sexist And, again ... read the note ... Shows median earnings for full time, year-round female workers as a percent of similar male workers. Remember, these numbers all come from the US Census Bureau.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: I’m not sexist And again hours worked, years in the field, and actual job and position are not taken into account. It is a lie

09-12-2018, 10:41 AM	#40
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: I’m not sexist Women study and naturally choose lower earning fields.