I’m not sexist

AsylumGuido · 09-12-2018, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

FFS Guido I didn’t mis any parts. I’ll spell it out for you.

Dick and Jane work for Boeing both on the assembly line and started the same date 20 years ago. Bob has 20 years in that job, Judy has has two children in the last 20 years and too two years of for each. Judy missed 4 years with of pay raises.

Same full-time job, same company, same start date.

That is understood and a factor, of course. Yet, it is not enough to account for the 30% discrepancy in Louisiana (unsurprisingly the greatest of all fifty states) and the 20% nationally.

John and Susan, both unmarried and freshly out of college holding degrees in accounting, apply for employment at the same corporation. With all qualifications being equal Susan is offered a position starting at $35K per year. John is offered an equal position starting at $40K per year. The employer, from past experience, was correct in assuming that this would be acceptable salaries to the new applicants.

Tim and June, both with two school age children and a working spouse apply for jobs with the same corporation. Same qualifications. June has two less years of total work experience, but still has ample experience and is otherwise completely qualified for the required position. John is given a level three position while June is offered a position classified at level two. The difference between the two pay levels is $12K per year. Tim and Jane do the exact same work on a day to day basis.

The Dude · 09-12-2018, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That is understood and a factor, of course. Yet, it is not enough to account for the 30% discrepancy in Louisiana (unsurprisingly the greatest of all fifty states) and the 20% nationally.

John and Susan, both unmarried and freshly out of college holding degrees in accounting, apply for employment at the same corporation. With all qualifications being equal Susan is offered a position starting at $35K per year. John is offered an equal position starting at $40K per year. The employer, from past experience, was correct in assuming that this would be acceptable salaries to the new applicants.

Tim and June, both with two school age children and a working spouse apply for jobs with the same corporation. Same qualifications. June has two less years of total work experience, but still has ample experience and is otherwise completely qualified for the required position. John is given a level three position while June is offered a position classified at level two. The difference between the two pay levels is $12K per year. Tim and Jane do the exact same work on a day to day basis.

Could it have something to do with the fact that June has two years less experience than Tim?

Susan, June, Jane, Tim, and John are all morons for not negotiating their initial pay rate.

Guy or girl the more money you make me the more money I give you.

If I hire you at $15 an hour and you take it that’s your bad because I probably would have given you $20.
I negotiated a salary last month and got 15k a year more for the job than I was offered. The WOMAN I was in negotiations with didn’t bat an eye.
Didn’t take the job but everything is negotiable if you have the qualifications.

dam1953 · 09-12-2018, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

FFS Guido I didn’t mis any parts. I’ll spell it out for you.

Dick and Jane work for Boeing both on the assembly line and started the same date 20 years ago. Bob has 20 years in that job, Judy has has two children in the last 20 years and too two years of for each. Judy missed 4 years with of pay raises.

Same full-time job, same company, same start date.

Questions? What the ‘f’ happened to Jane? And who is Judy? Is she the trolip that Dick is doing while Jane works all those years?

CharityMike · 09-12-2018, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by dam1953

Questions? What the ‘f’ happened to Jane? And who is Judy? Is she the trolip that Dick is doing while Jane works all those years?

Nice try bro, but there is no stopping this thread now. But I appreciate your attempt at the humor, I bet none of the people here arguing about this, even saw it.

burningmetal · 09-12-2018, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I guess you missed the part about the numbers being based upon US Census Bureau data on males and females working similar full-time, year-round jobs.

You're going to have to define "similar". Are you aware that there are actually no laws constituting what a "full time" job is? Employers decide what is full time, in order to determine certain benefits they might provide to those who qualify under THEIR terms.

People generally tend to think of 40 hours a week as being full time. But then you will have other full-timers who might be working 60, or 70, or even 80 hours. And those who provide the most value based upon their output, will receive those hours and pay raises.

And, yet again, women tend to be more inclined to ask for less so that they can be home with their children, while their husbands provide the bulk of the income. That is just life. Progressivism has tried desperately to eliminate traditional family values, and tells us that women shouldn't HAVE to be stay at home moms. But, someone has to be home with the kids, and most women accept that that is their role. It is not demeaning or devaluing women. It is their natural role, just as men are providers and protectors. You think it's convenient for men to take that on? No. It's just the way it is.

WHODATINCA · 09-12-2018, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Poll a thousand males and a thousand females and ask them.. Given a conflict between family/Home responsibility’s and career which one do you gravitate to? You’ll find that females have a much higher propensity to focus on the home and family while males gravitate towards work.

So two lawyers are married and have a child, the majority of the time the female will be the one who’s career gets put on hold.

If you need a study to believe that you are pretty clueless in regards to human nature.

I'll just note the lack of supporting research for the conclusions drawn here.

saintfan · 09-12-2018, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

I'll just note the lack of supporting research for the conclusions drawn here.

Have you done any 'research' to contradict?

Never mind. Rhetorical question...

CharityMike · 09-12-2018, 02:08 PM

This thread has gone sideways. Ya'll making my head hurt lol.

Halo · 09-13-2018, 12:17 AM

I don't know where to move this thread. Poli sci? Everything Else?
Should we create a poll on where it should land??

CharityMike · 09-13-2018, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

I don't know where to move this thread.

Hmmmm, I have an idea lol

09-12-2018, 11:19 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by TheOak FFS Guido I didn’t mis any parts. I’ll spell it out for you. Dick and Jane work for Boeing both on the assembly line and started the same date 20 years ago. Bob has 20 years in that job, Judy has has two children in the last 20 years and too two years of for each. Judy missed 4 years with of pay raises. Same full-time job, same company, same start date. That is understood and a factor, of course. Yet, it is not enough to account for the 30% discrepancy in Louisiana (unsurprisingly the greatest of all fifty states) and the 20% nationally. John and Susan, both unmarried and freshly out of college holding degrees in accounting, apply for employment at the same corporation. With all qualifications being equal Susan is offered a position starting at $35K per year. John is offered an equal position starting at $40K per year. The employer, from past experience, was correct in assuming that this would be acceptable salaries to the new applicants. Tim and June, both with two school age children and a working spouse apply for jobs with the same corporation. Same qualifications. June has two less years of total work experience, but still has ample experience and is otherwise completely qualified for the required position. John is given a level three position while June is offered a position classified at level two. The difference between the two pay levels is $12K per year. Tim and Jane do the exact same work on a day to day basis.
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09-12-2018, 03:02 PM	#2
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That is understood and a factor, of course. Yet, it is not enough to account for the 30% discrepancy in Louisiana (unsurprisingly the greatest of all fifty states) and the 20% nationally. John and Susan, both unmarried and freshly out of college holding degrees in accounting, apply for employment at the same corporation. With all qualifications being equal Susan is offered a position starting at $35K per year. John is offered an equal position starting at $40K per year. The employer, from past experience, was correct in assuming that this would be acceptable salaries to the new applicants. Tim and June, both with two school age children and a working spouse apply for jobs with the same corporation. Same qualifications. June has two less years of total work experience, but still has ample experience and is otherwise completely qualified for the required position. John is given a level three position while June is offered a position classified at level two. The difference between the two pay levels is $12K per year. Tim and Jane do the exact same work on a day to day basis. Could it have something to do with the fact that June has two years less experience than Tim? Susan, June, Jane, Tim, and John are all morons for not negotiating their initial pay rate. Guy or girl the more money you make me the more money I give you. If I hire you at $15 an hour and you take it that’s your bad because I probably would have given you $20. I negotiated a salary last month and got 15k a year more for the job than I was offered. The WOMAN I was in negotiations with didn’t bat an eye. Didn’t take the job but everything is negotiable if you have the qualifications.
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09-12-2018, 03:27 PM	#3
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by TheOak FFS Guido I didn’t mis any parts. I’ll spell it out for you. Dick and Jane work for Boeing both on the assembly line and started the same date 20 years ago. Bob has 20 years in that job, Judy has has two children in the last 20 years and too two years of for each. Judy missed 4 years with of pay raises. Same full-time job, same company, same start date. Questions? What the ‘f’ happened to Jane? And who is Judy? Is she the trolip that Dick is doing while Jane works all those years?

09-12-2018, 05:37 PM	#4
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by dam1953 Questions? What the ‘f’ happened to Jane? And who is Judy? Is she the trolip that Dick is doing while Jane works all those years? Nice try bro, but there is no stopping this thread now. But I appreciate your attempt at the humor, I bet none of the people here arguing about this, even saw it.

09-12-2018, 11:07 AM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I guess you missed the part about the numbers being based upon US Census Bureau data on males and females working similar full-time, year-round jobs. You're going to have to define "similar". Are you aware that there are actually no laws constituting what a "full time" job is? Employers decide what is full time, in order to determine certain benefits they might provide to those who qualify under THEIR terms. People generally tend to think of 40 hours a week as being full time. But then you will have other full-timers who might be working 60, or 70, or even 80 hours. And those who provide the most value based upon their output, will receive those hours and pay raises. And, yet again, women tend to be more inclined to ask for less so that they can be home with their children, while their husbands provide the bulk of the income. That is just life. Progressivism has tried desperately to eliminate traditional family values, and tells us that women shouldn't HAVE to be stay at home moms. But, someone has to be home with the kids, and most women accept that that is their role. It is not demeaning or devaluing women. It is their natural role, just as men are providers and protectors. You think it's convenient for men to take that on? No. It's just the way it is.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-12-2018, 03:22 PM	#6
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by TheOak Poll a thousand males and a thousand females and ask them.. Given a conflict between family/Home responsibility’s and career which one do you gravitate to? You’ll find that females have a much higher propensity to focus on the home and family while males gravitate towards work. So two lawyers are married and have a child, the majority of the time the female will be the one who’s career gets put on hold. If you need a study to believe that you are pretty clueless in regards to human nature. I'll just note the lack of supporting research for the conclusions drawn here.

09-12-2018, 03:27 PM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by WHODATINCA I'll just note the lack of supporting research for the conclusions drawn here. Have you done any 'research' to contradict? Never mind. Rhetorical question...

09-12-2018, 02:08 PM	#8
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: I’m not sexist This thread has gone sideways. Ya'll making my head hurt lol.

09-13-2018, 12:17 AM	#9
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,867 Blog Entries: 45	Re: I’m not sexist I don't know where to move this thread. Poli sci? Everything Else? Should we create a poll on where it should land?? subguy likes this.

09-13-2018, 01:14 AM	#10
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by Halo I don't know where to move this thread. Hmmmm, I have an idea lol subguy and neugey like this.