I’m not sexist

AsylumGuido · 09-12-2018, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Actually it's a lie. It had been demonstrated over and over. They're taking all jobs and figuring the money earned over all fields and putting it into one pile. Women choose to work in fields that offer naturally lower compensation. When you take a male and female engineer with the same time in the field and working the same hours the compensation is near identical.

Being Intentionally dishonest about something is shameful.

I beg to differ. The numbers are based upon equivalent job ranges in equivalent industries as reported in US Census data. But, your mind will never be changed, so ...

frydaddy · 09-12-2018, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I beg to differ. The numbers are based upon equivalent job ranges in equivalent industries as reported in US Census data. But, your mind will never be changed, so ...

I am not particularly well versed in this subject and even I know this to be false.

WHODATINCA · 09-12-2018, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

I am not particularly well versed in this subject and even I know this to be false.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

I cannot stop laughing at this post.

There's a Darwin award winner there.

frydaddy · 09-12-2018, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

I cannot stop laughing at this post.

There's a Darwin award winner there.

Good for you pal. I'm glad you found something to laugh about. Folks like you spend so much time being offended it's a wonder you manage to function apart from outrage. I've seen your posts and opinions on a variety of things and have gotten many good laughs as a result. I assure you, I'll be losing no sleep over what you think.

spkb25 · 09-12-2018, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I beg to differ. The numbers are based upon equivalent job ranges in equivalent industries as reported in US Census data. But, your mind will never be changed, so ...

It's actually not taking into account the hours worked, full time vs part time, years in the field, and the actual position.

Again, it's a lie

AsylumGuido · 09-12-2018, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

I am not particularly well versed in this subject and even I know this to be false.

Originally Posted by spkb25

It's actually not taking into account the hours worked, full time vs part time, years in the field, and the actual position.

Again, it's a lie

Read the note at the bottom.

The overall gender pay ratio compares the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round. The gender pay gap in dollars is the difference between the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round.

This is just one of many breakdowns. You obviously didn't look at, or didn't comprehend, the link I provided.

AsylumGuido · 09-12-2018, 09:36 AM

And, again ... read the note ...

Shows median earnings for full time, year-round female workers as a percent of similar male workers.

Remember, these numbers all come from the US Census Bureau.

spkb25 · 09-12-2018, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Read the note at the bottom.

The overall gender pay ratio compares the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round. The gender pay gap in dollars is the difference between the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round.

This is just one of many breakdowns. You obviously didn't look at, or didn't comprehend, the link I provided.

This shows nothing. The job you choose, the years in that field, the hours worked all matter. Taking a broad study that does not take these into account proves nothing more than what we already know, women choose lower paying fields and generally spend less years in the workforce. What's your point they're being compensated appropriately for their choices. If so, yes you're right

burningmetal · 09-12-2018, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Read the note at the bottom.

The overall gender pay ratio compares the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round. The gender pay gap in dollars is the difference between the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round.

This is just one of many breakdowns. You obviously didn't look at, or didn't comprehend, the link I provided.

There's nothing more scientific than showing how much money people make, without giving so much as an ounce of context. This point has been made numerous times now.

It is well known by anyone who has bothered to do an in depth study of this so-called "wage gap", that a majority of women set their work schedule to accommodate family life. In general, the man is either the sole provider, or the main provider. So women aren't working as many hours and, as a result, they aren't advancing to a level that would pay them equal to men. There is no evidence of any systematic prejudice toward women who are working the same positions and same amount of hours as men, in any given field.

I could show you a chart showing how much more money people age 30 to 65 are making, as opposed to those ages, say, 16 to 29 are making. And it would show a FAR greater disparity than what we see with women vs. men. But there is a clear reason for that. Experience. With women, it's the same thing. They live a different lifestyle, on average, that affords them less time to work and, therefore, less experience. But they work more often than teenagers do, and so they still make more money than that crowd.

It's really not that difficult to understand, if one is willing to take their "injustice" glasses off and actually work TOWARD a conclusion, instead of starting with one.

AsylumGuido · 09-12-2018, 10:22 AM

Ignore the facts. Fine. There is clearly pay gap. Employers for the most part are driven by the bottom line. Given all other factors the average employer would hire the employee willing to work for less. This is a major factor of the very real pay gap. The demographics willing to working for less are unfortunately both women and minorities. And why are they willing to work for less? Because that is the best avenue for getting and sustaining employment. It is a Catch 22 that has taken half a century to improve and most likely another half century to be eliminated. Other factors, although, do include varying degrees of discrimination.

This pay disparagement exists at every level from hocking burgers to the corporate ladder rungs.

09-12-2018, 08:39 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by spkb25 Actually it's a lie. It had been demonstrated over and over. They're taking all jobs and figuring the money earned over all fields and putting it into one pile. Women choose to work in fields that offer naturally lower compensation. When you take a male and female engineer with the same time in the field and working the same hours the compensation is near identical. Being Intentionally dishonest about something is shameful. I beg to differ. The numbers are based upon equivalent job ranges in equivalent industries as reported in US Census data. But, your mind will never be changed, so ...

09-12-2018, 09:02 AM	#2
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,952 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I beg to differ. The numbers are based upon equivalent job ranges in equivalent industries as reported in US Census data. But, your mind will never be changed, so ... I am not particularly well versed in this subject and even I know this to be false. spkb25 likes this.

09-12-2018, 02:06 PM	#3
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by frydaddy I am not particularly well versed in this subject and even I know this to be false. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! I cannot stop laughing at this post. There's a Darwin award winner there.

09-12-2018, 02:27 PM	#4
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,952 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by WHODATINCA Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! I cannot stop laughing at this post. There's a Darwin award winner there. Good for you pal. I'm glad you found something to laugh about. Folks like you spend so much time being offended it's a wonder you manage to function apart from outrage. I've seen your posts and opinions on a variety of things and have gotten many good laughs as a result. I assure you, I'll be losing no sleep over what you think. CharityMike likes this.

09-12-2018, 09:10 AM	#5
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I beg to differ. The numbers are based upon equivalent job ranges in equivalent industries as reported in US Census data. But, your mind will never be changed, so ... It's actually not taking into account the hours worked, full time vs part time, years in the field, and the actual position. Again, it's a lie FinSaint likes this.

09-12-2018, 09:32 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by frydaddy I am not particularly well versed in this subject and even I know this to be false. Originally Posted by spkb25 It's actually not taking into account the hours worked, full time vs part time, years in the field, and the actual position. Again, it's a lie Read the note at the bottom. The overall gender pay ratio compares the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round. The gender pay gap in dollars is the difference between the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round. This is just one of many breakdowns. You obviously didn't look at, or didn't comprehend, the link I provided. rezburna and WHODATINCA like this.

09-12-2018, 09:36 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: I’m not sexist And, again ... read the note ... Shows median earnings for full time, year-round female workers as a percent of similar male workers. Remember, these numbers all come from the US Census Bureau.

09-12-2018, 09:44 AM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Read the note at the bottom. The overall gender pay ratio compares the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round. The gender pay gap in dollars is the difference between the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round. This is just one of many breakdowns. You obviously didn't look at, or didn't comprehend, the link I provided. This shows nothing. The job you choose, the years in that field, the hours worked all matter. Taking a broad study that does not take these into account proves nothing more than what we already know, women choose lower paying fields and generally spend less years in the workforce. What's your point they're being compensated appropriately for their choices. If so, yes you're right frydaddy likes this.

09-12-2018, 10:07 AM	#9
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Read the note at the bottom. The overall gender pay ratio compares the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round. The gender pay gap in dollars is the difference between the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round. This is just one of many breakdowns. You obviously didn't look at, or didn't comprehend, the link I provided. There's nothing more scientific than showing how much money people make, without giving so much as an ounce of context. This point has been made numerous times now. It is well known by anyone who has bothered to do an in depth study of this so-called "wage gap", that a majority of women set their work schedule to accommodate family life. In general, the man is either the sole provider, or the main provider. So women aren't working as many hours and, as a result, they aren't advancing to a level that would pay them equal to men. There is no evidence of any systematic prejudice toward women who are working the same positions and same amount of hours as men, in any given field. I could show you a chart showing how much more money people age 30 to 65 are making, as opposed to those ages, say, 16 to 29 are making. And it would show a FAR greater disparity than what we see with women vs. men. But there is a clear reason for that. Experience. With women, it's the same thing. They live a different lifestyle, on average, that affords them less time to work and, therefore, less experience. But they work more often than teenagers do, and so they still make more money than that crowd. It's really not that difficult to understand, if one is willing to take their "injustice" glasses off and actually work TOWARD a conclusion, instead of starting with one. spkb25, SmashMouth, frydaddy and 1 others like this.
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09-12-2018, 10:22 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: I’m not sexist Ignore the facts. Fine. There is clearly pay gap. Employers for the most part are driven by the bottom line. Given all other factors the average employer would hire the employee willing to work for less. This is a major factor of the very real pay gap. The demographics willing to working for less are unfortunately both women and minorities. And why are they willing to work for less? Because that is the best avenue for getting and sustaining employment. It is a Catch 22 that has taken half a century to improve and most likely another half century to be eliminated. Other factors, although, do include varying degrees of discrimination. This pay disparagement exists at every level from hocking burgers to the corporate ladder rungs. rezburna and WHODATINCA like this.
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