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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by frydaddy I am not particularly well versed in this subject and even I know this to be false. Originally Posted by spkb25 It's actually not taking into account the hours worked, full time vs part time, years ...

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Old 09-12-2018, 09:32 AM   #1
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Re: I’m not sexist

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I am not particularly well versed in this subject and even I know this to be false.
Originally Posted by spkb25 View Post
It's actually not taking into account the hours worked, full time vs part time, years in the field, and the actual position.

Again, it's a lie


Read the note at the bottom.

The overall gender pay ratio compares the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round. The gender pay gap in dollars is the difference between the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round.

This is just one of many breakdowns. You obviously didn't look at, or didn't comprehend, the link I provided.
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Old 09-12-2018, 09:36 AM   #2
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And, again ... read the note ...

Shows median earnings for full time, year-round female workers as a percent of similar male workers.

Remember, these numbers all come from the US Census Bureau.
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Old 09-12-2018, 09:44 AM   #3
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Read the note at the bottom.

The overall gender pay ratio compares the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round. The gender pay gap in dollars is the difference between the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round.

This is just one of many breakdowns. You obviously didn't look at, or didn't comprehend, the link I provided.
This shows nothing. The job you choose, the years in that field, the hours worked all matter. Taking a broad study that does not take these into account proves nothing more than what we already know, women choose lower paying fields and generally spend less years in the workforce. What's your point they're being compensated appropriately for their choices. If so, yes you're right
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Old 09-12-2018, 10:07 AM   #4
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Re: I’m not sexist

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Read the note at the bottom.

The overall gender pay ratio compares the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round. The gender pay gap in dollars is the difference between the median annual earnings of men and women working full-time, year-round.

This is just one of many breakdowns. You obviously didn't look at, or didn't comprehend, the link I provided.
There's nothing more scientific than showing how much money people make, without giving so much as an ounce of context. This point has been made numerous times now.

It is well known by anyone who has bothered to do an in depth study of this so-called "wage gap", that a majority of women set their work schedule to accommodate family life. In general, the man is either the sole provider, or the main provider. So women aren't working as many hours and, as a result, they aren't advancing to a level that would pay them equal to men. There is no evidence of any systematic prejudice toward women who are working the same positions and same amount of hours as men, in any given field.

I could show you a chart showing how much more money people age 30 to 65 are making, as opposed to those ages, say, 16 to 29 are making. And it would show a FAR greater disparity than what we see with women vs. men. But there is a clear reason for that. Experience. With women, it's the same thing. They live a different lifestyle, on average, that affords them less time to work and, therefore, less experience. But they work more often than teenagers do, and so they still make more money than that crowd.

It's really not that difficult to understand, if one is willing to take their "injustice" glasses off and actually work TOWARD a conclusion, instead of starting with one.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 09-12-2018, 10:22 AM   #5
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Ignore the facts. Fine. There is clearly pay gap. Employers for the most part are driven by the bottom line. Given all other factors the average employer would hire the employee willing to work for less. This is a major factor of the very real pay gap. The demographics willing to working for less are unfortunately both women and minorities. And why are they willing to work for less? Because that is the best avenue for getting and sustaining employment. It is a Catch 22 that has taken half a century to improve and most likely another half century to be eliminated. Other factors, although, do include varying degrees of discrimination.

This pay disparagement exists at every level from hocking burgers to the corporate ladder rungs.
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Ignore the facts. Fine. There is clearly pay gap. Employers for the most part are driven by the bottom line. Given all other factors the average employer would hire the employee willing to work for less. This is a major factor of the very real pay gap. The demographics willing to working for less are unfortunately both women and minorities. And why are they willing to work for less? Because that is the best avenue for getting and sustaining employment. It is a Catch 22 that has taken half a century to improve and most likely another half century to be eliminated. Other factors, although, do include varying degrees of discrimination.

This pay disparagement exists at every level from hocking burgers to the corporate ladder rungs.
No one is ignoring facts. You have only shown a chart showing wages of women vs. men in various places. From there you just say things. You make statements without hard facts.

You claim discrimination, and you pretend to know the mind of every employer, yet you have nothing but hearsay to demonstrate these things.

ANYONE who is willing to take less, is going to make less. If you aren't going to fight for yourself, you get what you get. You know what companies REALLY like? Productivity. If you are good at what you do, they won't be looking to short change you.

The people who tend to make the least, are illegal immigrants, because, well, they aren't actually entitled to make ANY money in this country. Do companies look to benefit from that? You bet. But do you know what causes some businesses to look for cheap labor? Suffocating regulations. Cheap labor is the norm in places like Mexico, and that is why so many businesses have, are were ready to leave this country.

Trump has lifted these regulations, companies are coming back, they are raising their wages, black unemployment is at it's lowest rate ever, and women have their highest employment numbers in a long time.

It's funny what happens when the government gets out of the way of businesses. Those businesses tend to have a lot more freedom to pay all of their employees. In the kind of suffocating economy that we've endured for decades, you either hire only the utmost qualified applicants and go with a short staff, or you just hire the most desperate people who you can pay the least. Again, women simply do not accumulate the same level of experience as men do, on average, and this naturally means that their pay scale is going to be lower.

Yet, when a women, or black person, shows a unique set of skills, they unsurprisingly find themselves doing just fine. That woudn't be so, if employers made decisions based on prejudice.
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