I’m not sexist

rezburna · 09-12-2018, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Yes sir... I’m on my phone so that “too Two” should have said lost two for each putting her total time with the company 4 years behind Bob.

Females do a lot of amazing things that we don’t. They focus on the family in most cases better than we ever will, they also tend to take a career break to tend to sick and or dying family members before we do. My wife has done both..

I got you, but that's not the similar circumstances Guido is talking about. He's saying when both people really have 20 years in the company, same start date, didn't take extended time for maternity leave, and etc., there's still a gap. From what I've read, the gap shrinks when accounting for all these factors, but there's still a gap nonetheless. I feel like men should be given paid-maternity leave as well, but that's a different discussion for a different day.

AsylumGuido · 09-12-2018, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I got you, but that's not the similar circumstances Guido is talking about. He's saying when both people really have 20 years in the company, same start date, didn't take extended time for maternity leave, and etc., there's still a gap. From what I've read, the gap shrinks when accounting for all these factors, but there's still a gap nonetheless. I feel like men should be given paid-maternity leave as well, but that's a different discussion for a different day.

I agree, and yes another discussion. Many reasons why I would support this.

TheOak · 09-12-2018, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I got you, but that's not the similar circumstances Guido is talking about. He's saying when both people really have 20 years in the company, same start date, didn't take extended time for maternity leave, and etc., there's still a gap. From what I've read, the gap shrinks when accounting for all these factors, but there's still a gap nonetheless. I feel like men should be given paid-maternity leave as well, but that's a different discussion for a different day.

I’m not in either camp I think the truth always rests between right and wrong, left and right. I see people argue left and right all day with neither being100% correct. I also know that there is no such thing as a statement that covers all situations but rather a potentially unique situation for every unique person on the planet. Yes women have been intentionally underpaid or not paid at all for centuries and yes there are still things that need to be done.

My point being that there is a lot of nuance that statistics don’t cover. I’ve been a hiring and talent manager.. This statement covers over 70% of the situations. When it comes to hiring compensation and performance based pay raises males are more aggressive generally than females.

For what it’s worth I agent worked at a company where pay raises were blanket except for the US ARMY, every where else I have been it’s been performance based.

For the record, any jackazz bigot Manager that will compensate more purely on gender need never manage people.

saintfan · 09-12-2018, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I’m not in either camp I think the truth always rests between right and wrong, left and right. I see people argue left and right all day with neither being100% correct. I also know that there is no such thing as a statement that covers all situations but rather a potentially unique situation for every unique person on the planet. Yes women have been intentionally underpaid or not paid at all for centuries and yes there are still things that need to be done.

My point being that there is a lot of nuance that statistics don’t cover. I’ve been a hiring and talent manager.. This statement covers over 70% of the situations. When it comes to hiring compensation and performance based pay raises males are more aggressive generally than females.

For what it’s worth I agent worked at a company where pay raises were blanket except for the US ARMY, every where else I have been it’s been performance based.

For the record, any jackazz bigot Manager that will compensate more purely on gender need never manage people.

Go on ahead and preach that

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09-12-2018, 11:33 AM	#1
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by TheOak Yes sir... I’m on my phone so that “too Two” should have said lost two for each putting her total time with the company 4 years behind Bob. Females do a lot of amazing things that we don’t. They focus on the family in most cases better than we ever will, they also tend to take a career break to tend to sick and or dying family members before we do. My wife has done both.. I got you, but that's not the similar circumstances Guido is talking about. He's saying when both people really have 20 years in the company, same start date, didn't take extended time for maternity leave, and etc., there's still a gap. From what I've read, the gap shrinks when accounting for all these factors, but there's still a gap nonetheless. I feel like men should be given paid-maternity leave as well, but that's a different discussion for a different day. AsylumGuido and WHODATINCA like this.

09-12-2018, 11:35 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,575	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by rezburna I got you, but that's not the similar circumstances Guido is talking about. He's saying when both people really have 20 years in the company, same start date, didn't take extended time for maternity leave, and etc., there's still a gap. From what I've read, the gap shrinks when accounting for all these factors, but there's still a gap nonetheless. I feel like men should be given paid-maternity leave as well, but that's a different discussion for a different day. I agree, and yes another discussion. Many reasons why I would support this.

09-12-2018, 02:39 PM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by rezburna I got you, but that's not the similar circumstances Guido is talking about. He's saying when both people really have 20 years in the company, same start date, didn't take extended time for maternity leave, and etc., there's still a gap. From what I've read, the gap shrinks when accounting for all these factors, but there's still a gap nonetheless. I feel like men should be given paid-maternity leave as well, but that's a different discussion for a different day. I’m not in either camp I think the truth always rests between right and wrong, left and right. I see people argue left and right all day with neither being100% correct. I also know that there is no such thing as a statement that covers all situations but rather a potentially unique situation for every unique person on the planet. Yes women have been intentionally underpaid or not paid at all for centuries and yes there are still things that need to be done. My point being that there is a lot of nuance that statistics don’t cover. I’ve been a hiring and talent manager.. This statement covers over 70% of the situations. When it comes to hiring compensation and performance based pay raises males are more aggressive generally than females. For what it’s worth I agent worked at a company where pay raises were blanket except for the US ARMY, every where else I have been it’s been performance based. For the record, any jackazz bigot Manager that will compensate more purely on gender need never manage people. saintfan, AsylumGuido and WHODATINCA like this.
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09-12-2018, 02:59 PM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: I’m not sexist Originally Posted by TheOak I’m not in either camp I think the truth always rests between right and wrong, left and right. I see people argue left and right all day with neither being100% correct. I also know that there is no such thing as a statement that covers all situations but rather a potentially unique situation for every unique person on the planet. Yes women have been intentionally underpaid or not paid at all for centuries and yes there are still things that need to be done. My point being that there is a lot of nuance that statistics don’t cover. I’ve been a hiring and talent manager.. This statement covers over 70% of the situations. When it comes to hiring compensation and performance based pay raises males are more aggressive generally than females. For what it’s worth I agent worked at a company where pay raises were blanket except for the US ARMY, every where else I have been it’s been performance based. For the record, any jackazz bigot Manager that will compensate more purely on gender need never manage people. Go on ahead and preach that !!