Giants trading Eli Apple to saints

|Mitch| · 10-23-2018, 04:37 PM

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1 Game through the 4 games I'll watch of Eli Apple's 2018 season.

So far, more positives than negatives. Also seems to fit what #Saints DC Dennis Allen wants to do in terms of zone coverage. Back to the tape.

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Cruize · 10-23-2018, 05:43 PM

Great trade. Talented guy. Upgrade over this years Crawley. Coming from a losing/troubled organization. Paired with a former college teammate. I thought the secondary was struggling more from a coaching/scheme aspect, but the bottom line is it was not getting the job done. At 5-1 with a 39 year old QB and a brutal schedule moving forward, I like it.

saintfan · 10-23-2018, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Cruize

Great trade. Talented guy. Upgrade over this years Crawley. Coming from a losing/troubled organization. Paired with a former college teammate. I thought the secondary was struggling more from a coaching/scheme aspect, but the bottom line is it was not getting the job done. At 5-1 with a 39 year old QB and a brutal schedule moving forward, I like it.

Good point. I bet Drew is a happy camper today.

Saint in Aus · 10-23-2018, 06:18 PM

I have a good feeling about this trade.

jeanpierre · 10-23-2018, 06:54 PM

Corresponding Roster Move...

saintsfan1976 · 10-23-2018, 08:17 PM

A pass rush will help this kid succeed.

jeanpierre · 10-23-2018, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

A pass rush will help this kid succeed.

It will if we quit dropping our best pass rushers (e.g. Cam, Oak) into coverage...

blackangold · 10-23-2018, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

It will if we quit dropping our best pass rushers (e.g. Cam, Oak) into coverage...

I can’t stand the play calls... only rushing 2 or 3 at times, absolutely idiotic. However maybe adding Apple will give Allen some confidence to rush 4+ every play

jeanpierre · 10-24-2018, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I can’t stand the play calls... only rushing 2 or 3 at times, absolutely idiotic. However maybe adding Apple will give Allen some confidence to rush 4+ every play

I get not blitzing often as today's quarterbacks are taught to throw to the vacant zone the blitzer is coming - it actually makes the QB hot read faster, easier, versus...

When you drop a number of guys back the quarterback's read takes longer to find an open passing bucket, window to read, decide and throw...

Our problem with our Saints defense is that we/'ve lack/ed a quality, complementary skill player at LCB as well as Safety support to defend deep passes...

Also, when rushing three, only Cam Jordan has shown to be an effective pass rusher with regular pressure while other defensive linemen are losing one-on-ones...

After a while a quarterback settles in and gets comfortable with the pocket rolling away from Cam...

Often a pass rush is not just how fast you get to the quarterback, but also to delay the quarterback's read, throw allowing the back seven to read, react and move to defend the passing target...

The Blitz really should be more of a shock and awe weapon to rattle a quarterback who may be starting to get comfortable...

K Major · 10-23-2018, 09:44 PM

For me all eyes are clearly now on Dennis Allen. He has 5 1st rounders on this defense. He also brought in his guys (Coleman/Klein/Davis) via Free Agency and now add in Eli Apple. There is too much talent not to become a top 10-15 defense. We can continue to break down player by player but its time for results as unit, starting with the DC.

Dennis Allen must put his guys in place to be successful. No excuses.

10-23-2018, 04:37 PM	#1
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints Deuce Windham @RevDeuceWindham 1 Game through the 4 games I'll watch of Eli Apple's 2018 season. So far, more positives than negatives. Also seems to fit what #Saints DC Dennis Allen wants to do in terms of zone coverage. Back to the tape. ... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

10-23-2018, 05:43 PM	#2
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,459	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints Great trade. Talented guy. Upgrade over this years Crawley. Coming from a losing/troubled organization. Paired with a former college teammate. I thought the secondary was struggling more from a coaching/scheme aspect, but the bottom line is it was not getting the job done. At 5-1 with a 39 year old QB and a brutal schedule moving forward, I like it. Barry from MS likes this.
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10-23-2018, 06:07 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints Originally Posted by Cruize Great trade. Talented guy. Upgrade over this years Crawley. Coming from a losing/troubled organization. Paired with a former college teammate. I thought the secondary was struggling more from a coaching/scheme aspect, but the bottom line is it was not getting the job done. At 5-1 with a 39 year old QB and a brutal schedule moving forward, I like it. Good point. I bet Drew is a happy camper today.

10-23-2018, 06:18 PM	#4
Saint in Aus 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 468	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints I have a good feeling about this trade. Rugby Saint II, K Major and MarchingOn like this.

10-23-2018, 06:54 PM	#5
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10-23-2018, 08:17 PM	#6
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,995 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints A pass rush will help this kid succeed. K Major likes this.

10-23-2018, 09:18 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 A pass rush will help this kid succeed. It will if we quit dropping our best pass rushers (e.g. Cam, Oak) into coverage... Rsanders24, SmashMouth, blackangold and 2 others like this.

10-23-2018, 09:59 PM	#8
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre It will if we quit dropping our best pass rushers (e.g. Cam, Oak) into coverage... I can’t stand the play calls... only rushing 2 or 3 at times, absolutely idiotic. However maybe adding Apple will give Allen some confidence to rush 4+ every play Rugby Saint II likes this.

10-24-2018, 10:20 PM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints Originally Posted by blackangold I can’t stand the play calls... only rushing 2 or 3 at times, absolutely idiotic. However maybe adding Apple will give Allen some confidence to rush 4+ every play I get not blitzing often as today's quarterbacks are taught to throw to the vacant zone the blitzer is coming - it actually makes the QB hot read faster, easier, versus... When you drop a number of guys back the quarterback's read takes longer to find an open passing bucket, window to read, decide and throw... Our problem with our Saints defense is that we/'ve lack/ed a quality, complementary skill player at LCB as well as Safety support to defend deep passes... Also, when rushing three, only Cam Jordan has shown to be an effective pass rusher with regular pressure while other defensive linemen are losing one-on-ones... After a while a quarterback settles in and gets comfortable with the pocket rolling away from Cam... Often a pass rush is not just how fast you get to the quarterback, but also to delay the quarterback's read, throw allowing the back seven to read, react and move to defend the passing target... The Blitz really should be more of a shock and awe weapon to rattle a quarterback who may be starting to get comfortable... K Major likes this.
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10-23-2018, 09:44 PM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints For me all eyes are clearly now on Dennis Allen. He has 5 1st rounders on this defense. He also brought in his guys (Coleman/Klein/Davis) via Free Agency and now add in Eli Apple. There is too much talent not to become a top 10-15 defense. We can continue to break down player by player but its time for results as unit, starting with the DC. Dennis Allen must put his guys in place to be successful. No excuses. Barry from MS, jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.

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