Giants trading Eli Apple to saints

saintfan · 10-23-2018, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Too much is being made of his off field stuff
Nobody knows how he was treated by the players,coaching staff etc in New York. Not one of them has had boo to say when OBJ talks crap or acts the diva, yet they spole on Apple, a easy target. Maybe he does have some growing up to do,maybe he was used as a scapegoat for a awful team. Thing is if he was a locker room issue waiting to blow you would think that one of the 3 former college teammates would have been spoke to. The guys 23,been in the league a couple of years of course he has some maturing to do. He will be in a winning team,out of New York and with former teammates, it could well be the stage he needs to progress. And if its not then they have lost a 4th rounder for a half season rental and they'll cut him in the offseason or next year. He was a high first round pick for a reason

Same as everyone here, i would have preffered Peterson, but i also wanted Peters last summer(actually i wanted him drafted the year he came out) but the cost would have been huge for a team with little draft capital and little space to move for the cap if they want to fill some gaps next year and keep Bridgewater and Brees on board.

I think he will give a few penalties away but he has the height needed for the NFC South and if he can just avoid getting burnt his side he will get the help on the backend from Williams.

Hopefully with him and Robinson being close to a return we can see some improved play.

Agreed. Everybody has personal issues. He's 23. He appears to have humbled himself and got back to work. There is nothing there not to respect.

I think we need not dwell on any of that unless he regresses somehow. People here I trust say he's an upgrade. So do the numbers. I'm satisfied. Now let's go kick the

out of the queens.

|Mitch| · 10-23-2018, 02:38 PM

I wonder what’s the chances we see him in action against the Queens? Or how long it takes him to get up to speed?

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Rsanders24 · 10-23-2018, 02:38 PM

I happy with the attempt to get better. We are all in this season and we had to get help in the secondary. A 4th rd pick for a CB with talent and could be a starter is worth the gamble.

I wanted P2 bad....but their was no way we could pull that off without seriously over compensating Arizona. They seem to be sticking to their guns about not trading him.

lumm0x · 10-23-2018, 02:39 PM

I like the move for a couple of reasons. One, we identified a clear need and addressed it rapidly with talent. I also like that Apple has a previous relationship with Lattimore and possibly Bell (not sure if their collegiate careers overlapped at all- but they are OU alumni if nothing else). Apple has first round grade talent and potential unrealized at this point. I think our locker room and defensive unit has the ability and mentality to help him improve his game. Depth and health at CB has been and could be an issue so this benefits our secondary overall. We are all in to win over this year and next so adding any immediate contributor is a bonus.

His maturity and off field concerns are an issue that I hope become a non-issue with the change of scenery, familiar faces, winning mentality and leadership of this team.

ChrisXVI · 10-23-2018, 02:47 PM

I haven’t had enough time to read through the whole thread yet... I’m guessing there’s quite a bit of dissatisfaction with the move.

I don’t have any issue with it. Sure it’s underwhelming compared to Patrick Peterson, but come on- we don’t have the ammo for that. Welcome aboard Eli!

Rsanders24 · 10-23-2018, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I think PJ (UFA) is done in NO after this season.

I’m not ready to write PJ off just yet...he is one of the best tackling CBs we have. I wouldn’t mind seeing if he could transition to a Safety position like Jenkins did. He has the size and speed to do so being that he is very physical.

K Major · 10-23-2018, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

What are peoples thoughts on Coleman and Bell
I actually think we are missing Kenny, the guy was far from perfect but could do a bit of everything when fit.

Kind of hard for me only because of Dennis Allen's game strategy. IIRC we rushed 2 guys & kept 6 back in zone, leaving Bell (not a true deep safety) to cover half a field by himself. I've never seen a team drop two defensive tackles drop in coverage to cover no one. Some of the defensive play calling is puzzling to me.

Trust me, I'm elated with the wins despite the defense falling apart at the end of close games. Eventually the odds will catch up with us unless it's fixed.

Side note - so far Coleman is looking like money wasted, however I'm hopeful he turns a corner.

CharityMike · 10-23-2018, 02:53 PM

I would add, players are normal people too. The Giants suck the big one, and isn't Spags still the DC? I am willing to give him a chance. Playing for a loosing team vs playing for a winner should make an impact. I am just glad we didn't sit still and do nothing. Yeah, I wanted PP as well but as has been mentioned, the Cards wanted way more than we were able to give.

st thomas · 10-23-2018, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it'd help.

Oooooohhhhhh lol

st thomas · 10-23-2018, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Maybe that 75 yard drive by Flacco in less than 60 seconds & subsequent TD was the last straw for Sean ?

Thinking the same that brown freebee td I don’t no if crawley or bell blew it or Markus it blew someone’s pipe tar to the ceiling

10-23-2018, 02:33 PM	#61
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints Originally Posted by lee909 Too much is being made of his off field stuff Nobody knows how he was treated by the players,coaching staff etc in New York. Not one of them has had boo to say when OBJ talks crap or acts the diva, yet they spole on Apple, a easy target. Maybe he does have some growing up to do,maybe he was used as a scapegoat for a awful team. Thing is if he was a locker room issue waiting to blow you would think that one of the 3 former college teammates would have been spoke to. The guys 23,been in the league a couple of years of course he has some maturing to do. He will be in a winning team,out of New York and with former teammates, it could well be the stage he needs to progress. And if its not then they have lost a 4th rounder for a half season rental and they'll cut him in the offseason or next year. He was a high first round pick for a reason Same as everyone here, i would have preffered Peterson, but i also wanted Peters last summer(actually i wanted him drafted the year he came out) but the cost would have been huge for a team with little draft capital and little space to move for the cap if they want to fill some gaps next year and keep Bridgewater and Brees on board. I think he will give a few penalties away but he has the height needed for the NFC South and if he can just avoid getting burnt his side he will get the help on the backend from Williams. Hopefully with him and Robinson being close to a return we can see some improved play. Agreed. Everybody has personal issues. He's 23. He appears to have humbled himself and got back to work. There is nothing there not to respect. I think we need not dwell on any of that unless he regresses somehow. People here I trust say he's an upgrade. So do the numbers. I'm satisfied. Now let's go kick the out of the queens. SmashMouth and SaintGnome like this.

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Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,471	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints I happy with the attempt to get better. We are all in this season and we had to get help in the secondary. A 4th rd pick for a CB with talent and could be a starter is worth the gamble. I wanted P2 bad....but their was no way we could pull that off without seriously over compensating Arizona. They seem to be sticking to their guns about not trading him. \|Mitch\| and SaintGnome like this.

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lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints I like the move for a couple of reasons. One, we identified a clear need and addressed it rapidly with talent. I also like that Apple has a previous relationship with Lattimore and possibly Bell (not sure if their collegiate careers overlapped at all- but they are OU alumni if nothing else). Apple has first round grade talent and potential unrealized at this point. I think our locker room and defensive unit has the ability and mentality to help him improve his game. Depth and health at CB has been and could be an issue so this benefits our secondary overall. We are all in to win over this year and next so adding any immediate contributor is a bonus. His maturity and off field concerns are an issue that I hope become a non-issue with the change of scenery, familiar faces, winning mentality and leadership of this team. SaintFanInATLHELL, MarchingOn and Saint in Aus like this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints I haven’t had enough time to read through the whole thread yet... I’m guessing there’s quite a bit of dissatisfaction with the move. I don’t have any issue with it. Sure it’s underwhelming compared to Patrick Peterson, but come on- we don’t have the ammo for that. Welcome aboard Eli! SaintGnome likes this.

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10-23-2018, 02:48 PM	#66
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,471	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints Originally Posted by K Major I think PJ (UFA) is done in NO after this season. I’m not ready to write PJ off just yet...he is one of the best tackling CBs we have. I wouldn’t mind seeing if he could transition to a Safety position like Jenkins did. He has the size and speed to do so being that he is very physical.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,038 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints Originally Posted by lee909 What are peoples thoughts on Coleman and Bell I actually think we are missing Kenny, the guy was far from perfect but could do a bit of everything when fit. Kind of hard for me only because of Dennis Allen's game strategy. IIRC we rushed 2 guys & kept 6 back in zone, leaving Bell (not a true deep safety) to cover half a field by himself. I've never seen a team drop two defensive tackles drop in coverage to cover no one. Some of the defensive play calling is puzzling to me. Trust me, I'm elated with the wins despite the defense falling apart at the end of close games. Eventually the odds will catch up with us unless it's fixed. Side note - so far Coleman is looking like money wasted, however I'm hopeful he turns a corner. MarchingOn likes this.
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10-23-2018, 02:53 PM	#68
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints I would add, players are normal people too. The Giants suck the big one, and isn't Spags still the DC? I am willing to give him a chance. Playing for a loosing team vs playing for a winner should make an impact. I am just glad we didn't sit still and do nothing. Yeah, I wanted PP as well but as has been mentioned, the Cards wanted way more than we were able to give.

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st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints Originally Posted by K Major Maybe that 75 yard drive by Flacco in less than 60 seconds & subsequent TD was the last straw for Sean ? Thinking the same that brown freebee td I don’t no if crawley or bell blew it or Markus it blew someone’s pipe tar to the ceiling

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