Giants trading Eli Apple to saints

K Major · 10-23-2018, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

What are peoples thoughts on Coleman and Bell
I actually think we are missing Kenny, the guy was far from perfect but could do a bit of everything when fit.

Kind of hard for me only because of Dennis Allen's game strategy. IIRC we rushed 2 guys & kept 6 back in zone, leaving Bell (not a true deep safety) to cover half a field by himself. I've never seen a team drop two defensive tackles drop in coverage to cover no one. Some of the defensive play calling is puzzling to me.

Trust me, I'm elated with the wins despite the defense falling apart at the end of close games. Eventually the odds will catch up with us unless it's fixed.

Side note - so far Coleman is looking like money wasted, however I'm hopeful he turns a corner.

st thomas · 10-23-2018, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

I think the last few weeks have been better
Though im stuck without gamepass at the moment so just watching highlights and redzone. But they look to be getting caught far more in zone than man 2 man?

What are peoples thoughts on Coleman and Bell
I actually think we are missing Kenny, the guy was far from perfect but could do a bit of everything when fit. Looks to me one of the areas that needs looking at next offseason alongside a capable pass catching TE for the long term

And he will make a teeth shattering hit on somebody

cmike · 10-23-2018, 03:22 PM

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Looks to me one of the areas that needs looking at next offseason alongside a capable pass catching TE for the long term.”

Dan Arnold is our TE of the future.

|Mitch| · 10-23-2018, 02:38 PM

I wonder what’s the chances we see him in action against the Queens? Or how long it takes him to get up to speed?

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jeanpierre · 10-23-2018, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I wonder what’s the chances we see him in action against the Queens? Or how long it takes him to get up to speed?

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F*ck Dennis Allen's schemes, Safeties can't seem to pick up the exchanges anyways...

Geaux straight up man-to-man with Cover Two safety help on the backstop...

And we don't need to CB Lattimore nor Apple to blitz, rush four, occasionally blitz a LBer, like Klein or Davis...

Put it on the front four to get it done; Shane Falco got flustered when we dropped six and seven into coverage...

rezburna · 10-23-2018, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

F*ck Dennis Allen's schemes, Safeties can't seem to pick up the exchanges anyways...

Geaux straight up man-to-man with Cover Two safety help on the backstop...

And we don't need to CB Lattimore nor Apple to blitz, rush four, occasionally blitz a LBer, like Klein or Davis...

Put it on the front four to get it done; Shane Falco got flustered when we dropped six and seven into coverage...

When we agree, we agree wholeheartedly. This is EXACTLY how I feel.

K Major · 10-23-2018, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

F*ck Dennis Allen's schemes, Safeties can't seem to pick up the exchanges anyways...

Geaux straight up man-to-man with Cover Two safety help on the backstop...

And we don't need to CB Lattimore nor Apple to blitz, rush four, occasionally blitz a LBer, like Klein or Davis...

Put it on the front four to get it done; Shane Falco got flustered when we dropped six and seven into coverage...

Yes sir.

DA gameplan is confusing as hell to me.

st thomas · 10-23-2018, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I wonder what’s the chances we see him in action against the Queens? Or how long it takes him to get up to speed?

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Theilen is taking candy every week week latomore will keep him in honest mode we need help with diggs if I’m saying this right

Rsanders24 · 10-23-2018, 02:38 PM

I happy with the attempt to get better. We are all in this season and we had to get help in the secondary. A 4th rd pick for a CB with talent and could be a starter is worth the gamble.

I wanted P2 bad....but their was no way we could pull that off without seriously over compensating Arizona. They seem to be sticking to their guns about not trading him.

lumm0x · 10-23-2018, 02:39 PM

I like the move for a couple of reasons. One, we identified a clear need and addressed it rapidly with talent. I also like that Apple has a previous relationship with Lattimore and possibly Bell (not sure if their collegiate careers overlapped at all- but they are OU alumni if nothing else). Apple has first round grade talent and potential unrealized at this point. I think our locker room and defensive unit has the ability and mentality to help him improve his game. Depth and health at CB has been and could be an issue so this benefits our secondary overall. We are all in to win over this year and next so adding any immediate contributor is a bonus.

His maturity and off field concerns are an issue that I hope become a non-issue with the change of scenery, familiar faces, winning mentality and leadership of this team.

10-23-2018, 02:49 PM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints Originally Posted by lee909 What are peoples thoughts on Coleman and Bell I actually think we are missing Kenny, the guy was far from perfect but could do a bit of everything when fit. Kind of hard for me only because of Dennis Allen's game strategy. IIRC we rushed 2 guys & kept 6 back in zone, leaving Bell (not a true deep safety) to cover half a field by himself. I've never seen a team drop two defensive tackles drop in coverage to cover no one. Some of the defensive play calling is puzzling to me. Trust me, I'm elated with the wins despite the defense falling apart at the end of close games. Eventually the odds will catch up with us unless it's fixed. Side note - so far Coleman is looking like money wasted, however I'm hopeful he turns a corner. MarchingOn likes this.

10-23-2018, 03:13 PM	#2
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints Originally Posted by lee909 I think the last few weeks have been better Though im stuck without gamepass at the moment so just watching highlights and redzone. But they look to be getting caught far more in zone than man 2 man? What are peoples thoughts on Coleman and Bell I actually think we are missing Kenny, the guy was far from perfect but could do a bit of everything when fit. Looks to me one of the areas that needs looking at next offseason alongside a capable pass catching TE for the long term And he will make a teeth shattering hit on somebody

10-23-2018, 03:22 PM	#3
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,448	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints “ Looks to me one of the areas that needs looking at next offseason alongside a capable pass catching TE for the long term.” Dan Arnold is our TE of the future. Barry from MS and SmashMouth like this.
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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints I wonder what’s the chances we see him in action against the Queens? Or how long it takes him to get up to speed? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I wonder what’s the chances we see him in action against the Queens? Or how long it takes him to get up to speed? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk F*ck Dennis Allen's schemes, Safeties can't seem to pick up the exchanges anyways... Geaux straight up man-to-man with Cover Two safety help on the backstop... And we don't need to CB Lattimore nor Apple to blitz, rush four, occasionally blitz a LBer, like Klein or Davis... Put it on the front four to get it done; Shane Falco got flustered when we dropped six and seven into coverage... saintfan, Barry from MS, SmashMouth and 1 others like this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,122	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre F*ck Dennis Allen's schemes, Safeties can't seem to pick up the exchanges anyways... Geaux straight up man-to-man with Cover Two safety help on the backstop... And we don't need to CB Lattimore nor Apple to blitz, rush four, occasionally blitz a LBer, like Klein or Davis... Put it on the front four to get it done; Shane Falco got flustered when we dropped six and seven into coverage... When we agree, we agree wholeheartedly. This is EXACTLY how I feel.

10-23-2018, 03:16 PM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre F*ck Dennis Allen's schemes, Safeties can't seem to pick up the exchanges anyways... Geaux straight up man-to-man with Cover Two safety help on the backstop... And we don't need to CB Lattimore nor Apple to blitz, rush four, occasionally blitz a LBer, like Klein or Davis... Put it on the front four to get it done; Shane Falco got flustered when we dropped six and seven into coverage... Yes sir. DA gameplan is confusing as hell to me.

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st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I wonder what’s the chances we see him in action against the Queens? Or how long it takes him to get up to speed? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Theilen is taking candy every week week latomore will keep him in honest mode we need help with diggs if I’m saying this right

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Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,493	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints I happy with the attempt to get better. We are all in this season and we had to get help in the secondary. A 4th rd pick for a CB with talent and could be a starter is worth the gamble. I wanted P2 bad....but their was no way we could pull that off without seriously over compensating Arizona. They seem to be sticking to their guns about not trading him. \|Mitch\| and SaintGnome like this.

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lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Giants trading Eli Apple to saints I like the move for a couple of reasons. One, we identified a clear need and addressed it rapidly with talent. I also like that Apple has a previous relationship with Lattimore and possibly Bell (not sure if their collegiate careers overlapped at all- but they are OU alumni if nothing else). Apple has first round grade talent and potential unrealized at this point. I think our locker room and defensive unit has the ability and mentality to help him improve his game. Depth and health at CB has been and could be an issue so this benefits our secondary overall. We are all in to win over this year and next so adding any immediate contributor is a bonus. His maturity and off field concerns are an issue that I hope become a non-issue with the change of scenery, familiar faces, winning mentality and leadership of this team. SaintFanInATLHELL, MarchingOn and Saint in Aus like this.

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