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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by spkb25 Davenport showed real promise early this season. It appeared he was trending into the next Cam. There is a reason he saw reduced snaps and don't believe it was simply the packages we were running. I ...

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Old 11-21-2019, 10:21 AM   #1
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Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs

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Davenport showed real promise early this season. It appeared he was trending into the next Cam. There is a reason he saw reduced snaps and don't believe it was simply the packages we were running.
I believe you are wrong. Let's see this week what his snap count is and if he is indeed in on the same packages as Rankins. Carolina should be more committed to the run than was Tampa (8 rushing attempts).

His snap counts on special teams have also been up the past two games.

What do you believe is the reason his count went down that one game?
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Old 11-21-2019, 10:56 AM   #2
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Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs

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I believe you are wrong. Let's see this week what his snap count is and if he is indeed in on the same packages as Rankins. Carolina should be more committed to the run than was Tampa (8 rushing attempts).

His snap counts on special teams have also been up the past two games.

What do you believe is the reason his count went down that one game?
Poor play. Not enough juice getting to the qb. Plus he has actually seen a steady decline in snaps vs the start of the season, albeit this has been his lowest count to date.
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Old 11-21-2019, 11:03 AM   #3
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Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs

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Poor play. Not enough juice getting to the qb. Plus he has actually seen a steady decline in snaps vs the start of the season, albeit this has been his lowest count to date.
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Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs

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Glass half empty.
When I look at facts I dont view them from either a half empty or half full viewpoint. I view the facts as is.

Glass half empty response is simply a distractor and honestly it is irrelevant. But you have to say that because it is all you have. When you dont have facts to support your position this is what you inevitably resort to.

You asked a question, I responded with facts. I'm sorry if you dont like them. At the end of the day every single fan wants him to be a pro bowler.

Have a nice day, thanks for the discussion.

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Old 11-21-2019, 02:14 PM   #5
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Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs

Dang.... Hate when I have to agree with AG...

Truth is, Davenport is doing well rushing the passer, and consider, the 2nd year is when players take a step back (usually) before exploding in their 3rd year (see Marcus Williams).

"He’s notched 38 pressures so far, the ninth-most among edge defenders, with 27 hurries to his credit (8th) to go along with three sacks and a pass-rush productivity of 9.9, which is tied with T.J. Watt for 11th among players at his position."

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-new-orl...proved-players

Davenport is shaping up well, some players just need a good rotation and plays off.
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Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs

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Dang.... Hate when I have to agree with AG...

Truth is, Davenport is doing well rushing the passer, and consider, the 2nd year is when players take a step back (usually) before exploding in their 3rd year (see Marcus Williams).

"He’s notched 38 pressures so far, the ninth-most among edge defenders, with 27 hurries to his credit (8th) to go along with three sacks and a pass-rush productivity of 9.9, which is tied with T.J. Watt for 11th among players at his position."

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-new-orl...proved-players

Davenport is shaping up well, some players just need a good rotation and plays off.
I'm hoping we see some urgency this next game. Early on this year he was very impressive for a 2nd year guy. He has definitely cooled off and his snap production was at 70, then 50, and this game 30 percent. The talent appears to be there. Hopeful to see more out of him this week.

We have a great dline, no doubt Bout it.
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Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs

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I'm hoping we see some urgency this next game. Early on this year he was very impressive for a 2nd year guy. He has definitely cooled off and his snap production was at 70, then 50, and this game 30 percent. The talent appears to be there. Hopeful to see more out of him this week.

We have a great dline, no doubt Bout it.
It makes sense that Davenport's overall snap count would go down as the defensive packages became more defined. At the beginning of the season four defensive linemen were all getting close to 80% or more of the snaps. In the Chicago game none of the defensive linemen were in for more than 69%. Davenport had the most defensive snaps at that 69% and then Jordan, Alonzo, Rankins and Onyamata. Edwards, Brown and Tuttle all had significant snaps. It appeared the package rotation was fully in place at that point.

In the Falcons game Jordan was the only lineman with over 54% of the defensive snaps. Seven other DL players were splitting time. The snap count of all the original four players with high counts had dropped significantly. Those players were all in the 70% plus range early on, then all dropped down into the 50% range, Henrickson jumped up in the same game that Davenport dropped down. Payton explained why.

You can expect to see more of Davenport IF the Panthers running game remains active, but if they get down big and go strictly to the pass you may see the same result again. Personally, I doubt Carolina will abandon the run to that degree even if they get down early. McCaffrey is too important a part of their game to completely take the ball out of his hands on the ground.
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Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs

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It makes sense that Davenport's overall snap count would go down as the defensive packages became more defined. At the beginning of the season four defensive linemen were all getting close to 80% or more of the snaps. In the Chicago game none of the defensive linemen were in for more than 69%. Davenport had the most defensive snaps at that 69% and then Jordan, Alonzo, Rankins and Onyamata. Edwards, Brown and Tuttle all had significant snaps. It appeared the package rotation was fully in place at that point.

In the Falcons game Jordan was the only lineman with over 54% of the defensive snaps. Seven other DL players were splitting time. The snap count of all the original four players with high counts had dropped significantly. Those players were all in the 70% plus range early on, then all dropped down into the 50% range, Henrickson jumped up in the same game that Davenport dropped down. Payton explained why.

You can expect to see more of Davenport IF the Panthers running game remains active, but if they get down big and go strictly to the pass you may see the same result again. Personally, I doubt Carolina will abandon the run to that degree even if they get down early. McCaffrey is too important a part of their game to completely take the ball out of his hands on the ground.
Especially with the way Allen is playing recently. They want to run the ball and then sprinkle in the play action for pass. They do not want Allen just having to drop back and pass the ball.

I think we will continue to see heavy rotation between Davenport and Trey and if it continues to work for the team then what is their to complain about...
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Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs

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Especially with the way Allen is playing recently. They want to run the ball and then sprinkle in the play action for pass. They do not want Allen just having to drop back and pass the ball.

I think we will continue to see heavy rotation between Davenport and Trey and if it continues to work for the team then what is their to complain about...
It's some peoples nature to complain. This defensive strategy worked well for the Eagles a couple of years ago.
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Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs

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Especially with the way Allen is playing recently. They want to run the ball and then sprinkle in the play action for pass. They do not want Allen just having to drop back and pass the ball.

I think we will continue to see heavy rotation between Davenport and Trey and if it continues to work for the team then what is their to complain about...
I agree boss, too many complaints. Our WR are sad. Drew and the offense aren't good. I feel you. I'm sure they're not observations and opinion, but complaints. True story

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