2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints

shawnkytonk · 04-04-2020, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Go get Clowney or Everson Griffen. I don’t care how much they cost. We can’t potentially rely on any rookies with no offseason program.

Clowney isn't much of a pass rusher, and he isn't worth what he's asking. He wanted 20 mil and didn't get it. Now he says "I'll take 17-18." No thanks. He isn't what we need.

jeanpierre · 04-04-2020, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Go get Clowney or Everson Griffen. I don’t care how much they cost. We can’t potentially rely on any rookies with no offseason program.

Most development of a rookie is done in-season as he gathers experience and not having rookies come in as fresh reinforcements late in the season is what's contributed to our early exits...

A young, fresh pass rusher, or a nasty young guard, or a quick young linebacker - that could be all the difference in the post-season...

We won in 2009 with a fortunate draft haul in 2006; fast-forward to 2020, a few years out from 2017 draft - it's the success of rookies in roster turnover that metes out success in the postseason...

Got have good rookies...

K Major · 04-04-2020, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by shawnkytonk

Clowney isn't much of a pass rusher, and he isn't worth what he's asking. He wanted 20 mil and didn't get it. Now he says "I'll take 17-18." No thanks. He isn't what we need.

You are probably right about his steep salary demands however when JJ Watt went down, Clowney was an absolute dawg. He didn't necessarily get the QB sack, however he is a serious disruptor.

Outside of Cameron Jordan, we don't have that player on the other side.

When the post season rolls around, you better pack pass rushers that can get in the back field quickly. Even mediocre QB's (see w/c game Kurt Cousins

) can slice you up if they have time.

Again, who do you target in Free Agency or are you satisfied with Spence, Granderson, Trey H and often injured Davenport?

vpheughan · 04-04-2020, 12:56 PM

Davenort Often injured?

Look at the Pro Football Reference Statistics

Clowney missed 15 games in his first 2 years 4.5 sacks 0 forced fumbles

Davenport missed 6 games in his first 2 years 10.5 sacks 4 forced fumbles

Perception ISN'T REALITY

K Major · 04-04-2020, 02:27 PM

God forbid anything happens (played hurt vs Vikes playoffs) to Cam Jordan in 2020. Guy plays almost every defensive snap.

Davenport is a physical freak but he has to stay healthy.

blackangold · 04-04-2020, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Davenort Often injured?

Look at the Pro Football Reference Statistics

Clowney missed 15 games in his first 2 years 4.5 sacks 0 forced fumbles

Davenport missed 6 games in his first 2 years 10.5 sacks 4 forced fumbles

Perception ISN'T REALITY

I like Davenport, but we need more of him on the field. Like everyone mentioned if we lose Jordan or Davenport our pass rush basically goes out the window. We have no interior pressure and that’s my biggest concern. It doesn’t seem like Rankins is going to be what he once was before the injuries, but even if he is, there isn’t anyone else that’s pass rushing from the DT position.

Bottom line we have 2 solid pass rushers, both DEs, if we lose one then the other gets double teamed and our pass rush is gone.

There isn’t much on the free agent market when it comes to DTs so I am hoping one falls to us in the draft.

jeanpierre · 04-04-2020, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Clay Matthews makes alot of sense.
Clowne has never been close to what was expected of him, yet in his mind he is that and more. Griffen would be great too

One thing I'd like about bringing in Clay Matthews is what he could teach young players Trey Hendrickson, Alex Anzalone, Kaden Ellis, among others...

jeanpierre · 04-04-2020, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

God forbid anything happens (played hurt vs Vikes playoffs) to Cam Jordan in 2020. Guy plays almost every defensive snap.

Davenport is a physical freak but he has to stay healthy.

A.J. Epenesa would be that insurance policy, if he falls to us...

jeanpierre · 04-05-2020, 12:23 PM

The fact that none of these guys signed yet suggests they're asking too much guaranteed money or there A.J. may not fall to us as an option in the draft...

K Major · 04-05-2020, 12:36 PM

I think the Jags may eventually trade Yannick Ngakoue.

Last I read they were open to offers on Leonard Fournette as well.

04-04-2020, 03:16 AM	#691
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 741	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Go get Clowney or Everson Griffen. I don’t care how much they cost. We can’t potentially rely on any rookies with no offseason program. Clowney isn't much of a pass rusher, and he isn't worth what he's asking. He wanted 20 mil and didn't get it. Now he says "I'll take 17-18." No thanks. He isn't what we need. RefsRobbedUs likes this.

04-04-2020, 12:31 PM	#692
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Go get Clowney or Everson Griffen. I don’t care how much they cost. We can’t potentially rely on any rookies with no offseason program. Most development of a rookie is done in-season as he gathers experience and not having rookies come in as fresh reinforcements late in the season is what's contributed to our early exits... A young, fresh pass rusher, or a nasty young guard, or a quick young linebacker - that could be all the difference in the post-season... We won in 2009 with a fortunate draft haul in 2006; fast-forward to 2020, a few years out from 2017 draft - it's the success of rookies in roster turnover that metes out success in the postseason... Got have good rookies...
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04-04-2020, 12:42 PM	#693
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by shawnkytonk Clowney isn't much of a pass rusher, and he isn't worth what he's asking. He wanted 20 mil and didn't get it. Now he says "I'll take 17-18." No thanks. He isn't what we need. You are probably right about his steep salary demands however when JJ Watt went down, Clowney was an absolute dawg. He didn't necessarily get the QB sack, however he is a serious disruptor. Outside of Cameron Jordan, we don't have that player on the other side. When the post season rolls around, you better pack pass rushers that can get in the back field quickly. Even mediocre QB's (see w/c game Kurt Cousins ) can slice you up if they have time. Again, who do you target in Free Agency or are you satisfied with Spence, Granderson, Trey H and often injured Davenport?
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04-04-2020, 12:56 PM	#694
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,520	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Davenort Often injured? Look at the Pro Football Reference Statistics Clowney missed 15 games in his first 2 years 4.5 sacks 0 forced fumbles Davenport missed 6 games in his first 2 years 10.5 sacks 4 forced fumbles Perception ISN'T REALITY AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints God forbid anything happens (played hurt vs Vikes playoffs) to Cam Jordan in 2020. Guy plays almost every defensive snap. Davenport is a physical freak but he has to stay healthy.

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04-04-2020, 05:53 PM	#696
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by vpheughan Davenort Often injured? Look at the Pro Football Reference Statistics Clowney missed 15 games in his first 2 years 4.5 sacks 0 forced fumbles Davenport missed 6 games in his first 2 years 10.5 sacks 4 forced fumbles Perception ISN'T REALITY I like Davenport, but we need more of him on the field. Like everyone mentioned if we lose Jordan or Davenport our pass rush basically goes out the window. We have no interior pressure and that’s my biggest concern. It doesn’t seem like Rankins is going to be what he once was before the injuries, but even if he is, there isn’t anyone else that’s pass rushing from the DT position. Bottom line we have 2 solid pass rushers, both DEs, if we lose one then the other gets double teamed and our pass rush is gone. There isn’t much on the free agent market when it comes to DTs so I am hoping one falls to us in the draft.
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04-04-2020, 06:45 PM	#697
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by lee909 Clay Matthews makes alot of sense. Clowne has never been close to what was expected of him, yet in his mind he is that and more. Griffen would be great too One thing I'd like about bringing in Clay Matthews is what he could teach young players Trey Hendrickson, Alex Anzalone, Kaden Ellis, among others...

04-04-2020, 06:47 PM	#698
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by K Major God forbid anything happens (played hurt vs Vikes playoffs) to Cam Jordan in 2020. Guy plays almost every defensive snap. Davenport is a physical freak but he has to stay healthy. A.J. Epenesa would be that insurance policy, if he falls to us...

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints The fact that none of these guys signed yet suggests they're asking too much guaranteed money or there A.J. may not fall to us as an option in the draft... Twitter

04-05-2020, 12:36 PM	#700
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints I think the Jags may eventually trade Yannick Ngakoue. Last I read they were open to offers on Leonard Fournette as well.