N/S Your take on the XFL

TheOak · 02-11-2020, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

That has a lot to do with the fact that the NFL is a unfair monopoly that gets billions in subsidies from US taxpayers making it very difficult for other organizations to compete with it for market share. This in turn makes it so they can do whatever they want and still control the market. It shouldn't work this way. There should be competition between different leagues, and the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field. This is the prime reason that I have a little hope in the XFL as it has better financial backing than the other attempts.

If that is what you chose to believe then it is on you.

Fact of the matter is that money and power do not drive interest and fanbase in the entertainment industry. David Tepper and Stan Kroneke (rightnow you are asking your self who in the **** are they, so did I) are the two richest NFL team owners and I wouldn't watch the Panthers or the Rams if you paid me.

Product appeal drives revenue pure and simple. This is why Brittany Spears has the number one single of all time in terms of sales... Its not her talent or skill. its why Bing Crosby has the #2 and #4 selling singles of all time, he has no power or money and died 43 years ago. Its why a little company named Microsoft crushed IMB and why a little company named Apple crushed Microsoft... Better products at the right time. Coke a Cola has a LOT or power and money, New Coke flopped in 1985.

To date one of your statements is correct:"the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field."

What appeals to you is irrelevant, its what appeals to the broadest audience that makes money and power. In spite of its issues, to date.. no one has put a better product on the field than the NFL. Right now those honours go to the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL.

BTW, team owners negotiate with local government for stadiums and local concessions, not the league. This is why not all stadiums or teams are created or function equally.

I get that you were fed a line of sh1t and it made sense when you heard it, it wasn't correct.

TheOak · 02-10-2020, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

No New Orleans Team - No Interest...

Perhaps you have that backwards?

No Interest... = No New Orleans Team

K Major · 02-10-2020, 10:29 AM

Took my son on yesterday (Global Life Park/Arlington) ... only 20 minute drive from Bedford.

Tickets (seatgeek), parking & food all affordable. Rules are a little different but it was fun. Bob Stoops / Renegades take an L but I'll definitely attend another. Is it NFL level? .. no but entertaining.

If they are in your town, it's worth checking out.

Rugby Saint II · 02-10-2020, 10:32 AM

I watched one of the games on TV at the rugby bar Saturday. I didn't watch closely but at least there was football on and Roger Godhell wasn't involved. That's a win in my book.

blackangold · 02-10-2020, 10:51 AM

Thought they did a lot of things well and it was entertaining to watch.

Liked..
Kickoffs
New extra point system after TDs
Player/Coach interviews on the sideline during the game

Could do without..
Coach play calls being broadcast live.

neugey · 02-10-2020, 02:51 PM

This incarnation is SO much better than the original XFL. The XFL really could have staying power as a minor/feeder league to the NFL. It isn't going to ever compete with the NFL unless NFL has an extraordinary scandal or labor issue like never seen before.

The key to the XFL being successful long-term is actually going to be the NCAA, not the NFL. I'm very curious to see their first draft or rosters a year or two down the road look when/if the XFL manages to get some popular college stars that couldn't quite find a home in the NFL. XFL needs to milk the college ties, then they will get more people hooked and retain fan interest organically.

LIKES:

Broadcast/coverage. LOVED that they had Joel Klatt, Brock Huard and carryover of multiple college broadcast people. Created familiarity so I didn't feel like I stepped into some alternate universe LOL.
Kickoff rule is much better because NFL kickoffs are often so anti-climactic (block in back or kick out of endzone). This is more like a rugby play and better tests the skill of the players.
Extra-point rules are good and keep you interested.
Much Less gimmicky than original XFL.
Good pace and officiating, games didn't turn into flag-fests or review-fests.

DISLIKES:

Broadcast offensive play-calls (It was kind of cool to get in touch with the football terms and lingo, but spoils the fun of not knowing if the run or pass was coming)
Interviewing coaches and players - I liked it, but they need to dial it back a bit.

AsylumGuido · 02-10-2020, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

This incarnation is SO much better than the original XFL. The XFL really could have staying power as a minor/feeder league to the NFL. It isn't going to ever compete with the NFL unless NFL has an extraordinary scandal or labor issue like never seen before.

The key to the XFL being successful long-term is actually going to be the NCAA, not the NFL. I'm very curious to see their first draft or rosters a year or two down the road look when/if the XFL manages to get some popular college stars that couldn't quite find a home in the NFL. XFL needs to milk the college ties, then they will get more people hooked and retain fan interest organically.

LIKES:

Broadcast/coverage. LOVED that they had Joel Klatt, Brock Huard and carryover of multiple college broadcast people. Created familiarity so I didn't feel like I stepped into some alternate universe LOL.

Kickoff rule is much better because NFL kickoffs are often so anti-climactic (block in back or kick out of endzone). This is more like a rugby play and better tests the skill of the players.

Extra-point rules are good and keep you interested.

Much Less gimmicky than original XFL.

Good pace and officiating, games didn't turn into flag-fests or review-fests.

DISLIKES:

Broadcast offensive play-calls (It was kind of cool to get in touch with the football terms and lingo, but spoils the fun of not knowing if the run or pass was coming)

Interviewing coaches and players - I liked it, but they need to dial it back a bit.

As for your first dislike, there was minimal practice time available for the start up to introduce nothing more than a basic playbook. I have a feeling that we'll start seeing more checks being made at the line as the season progresses where the decision to go run or pass will depend more on the read at the line. As for the second, I'll bet they do dial it back a bit with push back by the coaches. Todd Haley, now an NFL Radio co-host, said he would absolutely hate the in game interviews. He also said he was offered the head coaching job with the NY team but turned it down. Yet, he is still paying close attention as he has several friends involved.

st thomas · 02-10-2020, 11:01 AM

Liked the kick off

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FinSaint · 02-10-2020, 11:07 AM

Watched some highlights on Youtube and it didn't look half bad IMO.

I might watch a whole game this weekend to take in the whole experience.

Any competition for the NFL is good in my books, I just hope they can make it last...

Jdejean · 02-10-2020, 11:53 AM

I went to the Houston game, great crowd and everyone enjoyed the game.

02-11-2020, 03:15 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by hitta That has a lot to do with the fact that the NFL is a unfair monopoly that gets billions in subsidies from US taxpayers making it very difficult for other organizations to compete with it for market share. This in turn makes it so they can do whatever they want and still control the market. It shouldn't work this way. There should be competition between different leagues, and the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field. This is the prime reason that I have a little hope in the XFL as it has better financial backing than the other attempts. If that is what you chose to believe then it is on you. Fact of the matter is that money and power do not drive interest and fanbase in the entertainment industry. David Tepper and Stan Kroneke (rightnow you are asking your self who in the **** are they, so did I) are the two richest NFL team owners and I wouldn't watch the Panthers or the Rams if you paid me. Product appeal drives revenue pure and simple. This is why Brittany Spears has the number one single of all time in terms of sales... Its not her talent or skill. its why Bing Crosby has the #2 and #4 selling singles of all time, he has no power or money and died 43 years ago. Its why a little company named Microsoft crushed IMB and why a little company named Apple crushed Microsoft... Better products at the right time. Coke a Cola has a LOT or power and money, New Coke flopped in 1985. To date one of your statements is correct:"the best most successful leagues should be the ones that put the best product on the field." What appeals to you is irrelevant, its what appeals to the broadest audience that makes money and power. In spite of its issues, to date.. no one has put a better product on the field than the NFL. Right now those honours go to the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL. BTW, team owners negotiate with local government for stadiums and local concessions, not the league. This is why not all stadiums or teams are created or function equally. I get that you were fed a line of sh1t and it made sense when you heard it, it wasn't correct.
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02-10-2020, 10:29 AM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Took my son on yesterday (Global Life Park/Arlington) ... only 20 minute drive from Bedford. Tickets (seatgeek), parking & food all affordable. Rules are a little different but it was fun. Bob Stoops / Renegades take an L but I'll definitely attend another. Is it NFL level? .. no but entertaining. If they are in your town, it's worth checking out. Rugby Saint II and hitta like this.

02-10-2020, 10:51 AM	#5
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Thought they did a lot of things well and it was entertaining to watch. Liked.. Kickoffs New extra point system after TDs Player/Coach interviews on the sideline during the game Could do without.. Coach play calls being broadcast live. neugey and Jdejean like this.

02-10-2020, 02:51 PM	#6
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,878 Blog Entries: 13	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL This incarnation is SO much better than the original XFL. The XFL really could have staying power as a minor/feeder league to the NFL. It isn't going to ever compete with the NFL unless NFL has an extraordinary scandal or labor issue like never seen before. The key to the XFL being successful long-term is actually going to be the NCAA, not the NFL. I'm very curious to see their first draft or rosters a year or two down the road look when/if the XFL manages to get some popular college stars that couldn't quite find a home in the NFL. XFL needs to milk the college ties, then they will get more people hooked and retain fan interest organically. LIKES: Broadcast/coverage. LOVED that they had Joel Klatt, Brock Huard and carryover of multiple college broadcast people. Created familiarity so I didn't feel like I stepped into some alternate universe LOL. Kickoff rule is much better because NFL kickoffs are often so anti-climactic (block in back or kick out of endzone). This is more like a rugby play and better tests the skill of the players. Extra-point rules are good and keep you interested. Much Less gimmicky than original XFL. Good pace and officiating, games didn't turn into flag-fests or review-fests. DISLIKES: Broadcast offensive play-calls (It was kind of cool to get in touch with the football terms and lingo, but spoils the fun of not knowing if the run or pass was coming) Interviewing coaches and players - I liked it, but they need to dial it back a bit.

02-10-2020, 03:10 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,714	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by neugey This incarnation is SO much better than the original XFL. The XFL really could have staying power as a minor/feeder league to the NFL. It isn't going to ever compete with the NFL unless NFL has an extraordinary scandal or labor issue like never seen before. The key to the XFL being successful long-term is actually going to be the NCAA, not the NFL. I'm very curious to see their first draft or rosters a year or two down the road look when/if the XFL manages to get some popular college stars that couldn't quite find a home in the NFL. XFL needs to milk the college ties, then they will get more people hooked and retain fan interest organically. LIKES: Broadcast/coverage. LOVED that they had Joel Klatt, Brock Huard and carryover of multiple college broadcast people. Created familiarity so I didn't feel like I stepped into some alternate universe LOL. Kickoff rule is much better because NFL kickoffs are often so anti-climactic (block in back or kick out of endzone). This is more like a rugby play and better tests the skill of the players. Extra-point rules are good and keep you interested. Much Less gimmicky than original XFL. Good pace and officiating, games didn't turn into flag-fests or review-fests. DISLIKES: Broadcast offensive play-calls (It was kind of cool to get in touch with the football terms and lingo, but spoils the fun of not knowing if the run or pass was coming) Interviewing coaches and players - I liked it, but they need to dial it back a bit. As for your first dislike, there was minimal practice time available for the start up to introduce nothing more than a basic playbook. I have a feeling that we'll start seeing more checks being made at the line as the season progresses where the decision to go run or pass will depend more on the read at the line. As for the second, I'll bet they do dial it back a bit with push back by the coaches. Todd Haley, now an NFL Radio co-host, said he would absolutely hate the in game interviews. He also said he was offered the head coaching job with the NY team but turned it down. Yet, he is still paying close attention as he has several friends involved.
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02-10-2020, 12:46 PM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by jeanpierre No New Orleans Team - No Interest... Perhaps you have that backwards? No Interest... = No New Orleans Team ScottF likes this.

02-10-2020, 10:32 AM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,187	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL I watched one of the games on TV at the rugby bar Saturday. I didn't watch closely but at least there was football on and Roger Godhell wasn't involved. That's a win in my book. skymike, 44Champs, Jdejean and 2 others like this.

02-10-2020, 11:01 AM	#8
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Liked the kick off Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Jdejean likes this.

02-10-2020, 11:07 AM	#9
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Watched some highlights on Youtube and it didn't look half bad IMO. I might watch a whole game this weekend to take in the whole experience. Any competition for the NFL is good in my books, I just hope they can make it last... jnormand, neugey, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

02-10-2020, 11:53 AM	#10
Jdejean Registered Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 49	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL I went to the Houston game, great crowd and everyone enjoyed the game. RaginCajun83 and Rugby Saint II like this.