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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I'm slow, set aside the NFL for a minute and explain to me how tv networks get their money to pay the NFL? If I contracted the NFL to cater a benefit I was having for my cancer foundation, and ...
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06-29-2020, 11:18 AM | #61 |
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Re: Survey: Are you going to watch the Saints this season?
I'm slow, set aside the NFL for a minute and explain to me how tv networks get their money to pay the NFL?
If I contracted the NFL to cater a benefit I was having for my cancer foundation, and they showed up with highly controversial staff and subpar food, how is that going to help me recoup my money? Surely we would have to negotiate something. Maybe it's in the contract that the NFL can do whatever they want and the networks have to televise their latest social campaigns. Many businesses are far too eager to pontificate and change logos at the drop of dime, so that could be the case with the networks too, so I could be wrong in assuming advertisers would even care in the first place. In which case, whatever, we aren't operating in rational times anyway. |
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06-29-2020, 11:30 AM | #62 |
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lol... You kinda got the long hair right (not really that long compared to what it used to be a few years ago). But I'm no hippie, and I never cared for Pink Floyd, nor was I alive when they were still popular. :P
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06-29-2020, 11:48 AM | #63 |
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Re: Survey: Are you going to watch the Saints this season?
Originally Posted by skymike
Back to the point, I agree with you. If people are still entertained by this sham of a league, who am I to tell them what to do with their time? I don't care if people watch. I'll say that I don't understand how anyone can find pleasure or enjoyment out of the NFL, anymore, but it is what it is.
For me, though, like you, I see the true colors of the members of this league and the level of disgust I feel makes it impossible for me to feel a sense of connection with the team. To me, that's the whole point of being a fan, is you develop an emotional connection where you identify with that team. I'm not entertained by watching sport for the sake of sport. So I am no longer a fan, and will not watch. Why should I, or you, or anyone need to justify that to any particular person? And why do we need to be part of a majority in order for our personal convictions to be validated? It's not an election. That some people are offended that others won't watch (but claim they don't care if we watch) shows some kind of wild insecurity in them. |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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06-29-2020, 11:56 AM | #64 |
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Re: Survey: Are you going to watch the Saints this season?
Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie
I'll bite. TV networks get almost all of their money from advertisers. Has it occurred to you that advertisers are the very reason WHY the NFL has changed their stance? Corporations all across the country are coming to terms that not following along with the prevalent wave of awareness will hurt their bottom lines. That's why so many have changed their televised advertising to reflect the same. They wouldn't want to advertise during NFL broadcasts if the league wasn't on the same page. That makes sense. The NFL is in the entertainment business. They make most of that business income off broadcasting contracts. The networks could easily be putting the pressure on the league to conform to their and the advertiser's liberal ideals.
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06-29-2020, 12:06 PM | #65 |
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Re: Survey: Are you going to watch the Saints this season?
Originally Posted by burningmetal
I repeat ... I don't care if you watch or not. Honestly. Nor do I care for the reasons WHY you no longer care to watch. Unless you were one of the the few who claimed that the NFL would lose substantial revenue due to people refusing to watch, for whatever reason, then the point of this thread does not apply to you at all. It has NOTHING to do with your personal convictions. If one's personal convictions led them to toss a thimble of red chalk powder into the air every evening, it does not mean that they will change the color of the blue sky, whether they believe so or not.
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06-29-2020, 11:07 PM | #66 |
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Originally Posted by burningmetal
lolol... you werent alive during Pink Floyd? Good Lord you are so young... thats so cute.
I knew I'd have some fun w/ you. I used to get called a hippie too, because of my old hair. people assumed i toked. ha! I had to finally poke my supervisor in the side and signal him that he didnt have to protect me from drug tests. unless they were testing for Tennessee Bourbon. |
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Can you imagine how nasty, hateful, and personal this discussion would be, if it were on Site-X ?
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06-30-2020, 12:49 AM | #68 |
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Originally Posted by skymike
lol... My friend, I know just what you mean. I've had random people walk up to me in parking lots asking if I had any pot. They were always surprised to learn that my long hair and rather slender frame was not the product of smoking weed.
By the way, I'm probably not as young as you think. Just young enough to escape the trappings of Pink Floyd when they were at their height, but old enough to remember rotary dial phones, Joe Satriani when he had hair, and those strange mullet with a bird nest in the front hairstyles that girls actually thought were stylish. |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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06-30-2020, 01:19 AM | #69 |
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Re: Survey: Are you going to watch the Saints this season?
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
'Guido, I've read all of your repeated claims to everyone, including me, that you don't care if we watch. The thing is that some of us know how to read between the lines.
You say you don't care, but you constantly say "this won't affect the league, no matter what you do". I never said I was going to take down the league, all by myself, nor did I say that everyone was going to stop watching all at once. So you don't have to guess what I think. I've told you what I think, and yet you make comments such as "don't let the door hit you in the a** on the way out!". You want me to pretend that you aren't bothered by my personal choice, despite comments like that? I'm not an idiot. It's very obvious you have contempt for anyone who dares "turn their back on this team", because, throughout your history on this site, you've elevated your status as a "superfan" to make you better than everyone else. It leaks into every discussion. If someone doesn't like an acquisition, they're morons for questioning the all-wise front office. If someone doesn't like a play call, they're an idiot for questioning the coaches. If someone criticizes a player, they're an idiot for thinking they know how to do that player's job better than them, as if ANYONE is ever making that argument. You consistently attack people with straw man arguments. And now that some people don't want to watch, you think they're idiots. And don't tell me I am misrepresenting you, because in YOUR OWN words you stated that "What you fail to understand is that most people can intellectually separate entertainment from politics." So you think people like me lack intellectual capability to "separate". And, as I stated before, there is nothing intellectual about pretending there IS any separation between the NFL and politics, at this point. A lot of the people here who have stated that they will still watch, have even admitted that the political foolishness has ruined a lot of the fun for them. But they aren't ready to let go. I get that. At least they are honest about it. But you have sided with the players, and their ridiculous hateful reaction toward Drew Brees, and claimed that they "worked it out like men", presumably so you could continue to enjoy this team in full. There is no way for an "intellectually" honest person to look at what happened and not come to the conclusion that Drew was shamed and bullied into changing his position. And for his part, Drew threw away his principles to keep his standing with the team. There was nothing unreasonable about Drew saying he didn't agree with the Anthem method of protest. The players say it wasn't about the anthem or the flag... How stupid does one have to be to take that argument seriously? If it wasn't about the flag and the "oppression" they think it represents, then why did they choose that time to do it? That flag represents our country, which many have fought and died for. If you perceive some kind of injustice, the anthem was a poor time to air that grievance in the opinion of millions of people. So even if the players maintain that it wasn't about the flag, they shouldn't expect THEIR opinions to be respected if they are utterly incapable of respecting anyone else's. That's why I won't support them. |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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06-30-2020, 07:52 AM | #70 |
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Re: Survey: Are you going to watch the Saints this season?
Originally Posted by burningmetal
I repeat. I don't care if you or any others don't watch. Cool. You have reasons that make it unwatchable for you personally. I personally have different "feelings" concerning the roots of your reasons, but still respect your reasons. You are clearly not one of the ones I was addressing that claim to be abstaining from watching so that it will substantially affect the NFL's revenue. My whole point, once again, IS if someone thinks they are going to be punishing the NFL by not watching they are sadly mistaken. It's that simple. Refusing to watch because it is no longer entertaining to an individual is one thing, refusing to watch to give the NFL what they deserve in the pocketbook is another. That's hurting no one but themselves.
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