M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

gosaints1 · 09-28-2020, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Rsanders24

If that’s the case I think Brees should have just retired if he let that be the end of it and he wouldn’t have needed to fold, as some say he did.

If they let this trickle on the field and it’s truly the reason why this team is struggling then there was never any true leadership on this team to start with.

Simply put, this team is not playing good football on either side of the ball. Part of it is coaching but most of it is just poor execution by the players.

I’m not sure that we are the best team in the NFC South. Right now I say we might be the second team but if Atlanta will be a problem for us because of how explosive they are, especially since we really don’t have the ability to threaten defenses down the field.

As you said, 13 more games but if we don’t see a major turnaround, I have a feeling this is going to be an ugly season.

Losing is always ugly, and imho, it could get Jaguars ugly here also, if the losing continues. I’ve thought DB#9 should have retired every year for the last six years though. Three 7-9 seasons, the two 13-3, and the 11-5 season. But, my belief has absolutely nothing to do with a social justice stance.

rezburna · 09-28-2020, 12:38 PM

If he was a better leader he would have read the room and knew how his teammates would react to what he said. It’s always better to cut ties too early instead of too late. Let’s see what Winston can do. If he’s trash we can tank for Lawrence/Fields/Lance.

gosaints1 · 09-28-2020, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

If he was a better leader he would have read the room and knew how his teammates would react to what he said. It’s always better to cut ties too early instead of too late. Let’s see what Winston can do. If he’s trash we can tank for Lawrence/Fields/Lance.

I’ve been on record for saying many times now, my personality is to pull the band-aid off quickly, get it over with and let the healing begin.

That being said, it’s not my job to make that decision, either on retiring or on moving forward with a new QB. I truly do see both sides. I deal with what I have. And right now, it’s executive leadership that is tied to an aging QB, and players that have (self proclamed) moved beyond the comments and are in a “better” place because of it. Rez, I’m not a fly on the wall in that locker-room, lol.

Bottom line, there is a finite time to win Superbowls..., but that’s for Everybody. AK#41 and MT#12 also, they have a shorter period of time than the QB. But coaching and management is currently telling me that the best QB is on the field now. My eyes tell me if that’s the best, lol, then the we’re in trouble!

The “all in” for DB#9’s final years seems very selfish to me. Let’s begin a new, younger, stronger, faster push for multiple SB’s over the next decade, right?

Rugby Saint II · 09-28-2020, 12:56 PM

It looks like Drew is a broken man. He stood strong for his belief in standing for the flag. And was viciously attacked! He was forced to go against his values for team unity. That sucks. A man should have the right to speak his mind without being beaten down by his team mates in public.

Having to back down on something that you deeply believe in can break you down. Drew doesn't have the passion for the game and I blame Malcolm(the Mouth) Jenkins for dividing the team. It's obvious that Drew's heart is not in the game. The fire is gone from his eyes.

Now, I realize that Drew should have stuck to his principles and just retired from that venomous environment where your team mates attack you. It's a shame that a good man has been beaten down just for disagreeing with someone who has a different opinion.

When did we lose the right to free speech?

gosaints1 · 09-28-2020, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

...When did we lose the right to free speech?

So true it hurts. Disagreeing without being disagreeable. Why does everybody have to “follow” blindly, quite frequently to those who yell the loudest. On any side of the fence, it’s just wrong. So..., Very..., Wrong.

Rsanders24 · 09-28-2020, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

It looks like Drew is a broken man. He stood strong for his belief in standing for the flag. And was viciously attacked! He was forced to go against his values for team unity. That sucks. A man should have the right to speak his mind without being beaten down by his team mates in public.

Having to back down on something that you deeply believe in can break you down. Drew doesn't have the passion for the game and I blame Malcolm(the Mouth) Jenkins for dividing the team. It's obvious that Drew's heart is not in the game. The fire is gone from his eyes.

Now, I realize that Drew should have stuck to his principles and just retired from that venomous environment where your team mates attack you. It's a shame that a good man has been beaten down just for disagreeing with someone who has a different opinion.

When did we lose the right to free speech?

Or he could have also stand on what he said, as they say I stand on this. No one can force you to change your mind on a matter unless you let them. He could have also just walked away from the team. What’s left for him to prove?

Look at the irony in what you said...because Brees changed his mind he is broken and the team is divided. In actuality, with him changing his stance you would think that they would be more united and the team would rally together.

We are the only ones still talking about this and using it as a crutch. Just be honest with yourselves and see things for what they are. Brees is declining and the defense is horrible right now. Maybe they get it together, maybe they don’t.

Rugby Saint II · 09-28-2020, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Rsanders24

Or he could have also stand on what he said, as they say I stand on this. No one can force you to change your mind on a matter unless you let them. He could have also just walked away from the team. What’s left for him to prove?

Look at the irony in what you said...because Brees changed his mind he is broken and the team is divided. In actuality, with him changing his stance you would think that they would be more united and the team would rally together.

We are the only ones still talking about this and using it as a crutch. Just be honest with yourselves and see things for what they are. Brees is declining and the defense is horrible right now. Maybe they get it together, maybe they don’t.

His body language says I'm a beaten man. Personally, I think it's from troubles at the office not at home. The fire in his eyes is gone. I don't consider it to be self inflicted. Like I said, I realize now that he should have stood his ground and continued to speak his mind like everyone else who has a message that they insist that the world hear.

Let the fight be another challenge or just walk away from the whole tainted mess. I feel for the man. If you don't like him because of his stand and then reversal on it then that is up to you. Incidentally, does this team look like they have rallied together? Drew was sitting by himself on the bench. That has never happened before. This team certainly is playing like a "united team". They look dysfunctional but I'm sure the focus being off of football didn't help.

Peace out.

rezburna · 09-28-2020, 01:26 PM

If he didn’t have a genuine change of heart he should have stood on it. Thing is, anybody in leadership knows if you have something to say that’s going to alienate and offend the people you work with you probably should just avoid the question and keep those feelings to yourself. Winning cures all. If he was still balling his teammates would overlook it. When you say some **** the locker room doesn’t like then you come out there throwing ducks...everybody starts looking at the 6’4” kid who’s throwing 60 yard bombs in practice everyday.

gosaints1 · 09-28-2020, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

If he didn’t have a genuine change of heart he should have stood on it. Thing is, anybody in leadership knows if you have something to say that’s going to alienate and offend the people you work with you probably should just avoid the question and keep those feelings to yourself. Winning cures all. If he was still balling his teammates would overlook it. When you say some **** the locker room doesn’t like then you come out there throwing ducks...everybody starts looking at the 6’4” kid who’s throwing 60 yard bombs in practice everyday.

Exactly This^^

iceshack149 · 09-28-2020, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Rsanders24

Really? After watching then play....this is the best you can come up with? What about the other teams that are undefeated or are at least playing good football that have had players speak out as well.

Everyone has to do their job and do it better....including Brees.

What you just wrote is a cop-out.

For the record, Danno didn't write this article. Jason Whitlock did. And I believe he's right.

09-28-2020, 12:31 PM	#11
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints Originally Posted by Rsanders24 If that’s the case I think Brees should have just retired if he let that be the end of it and he wouldn’t have needed to fold, as some say he did. If they let this trickle on the field and it’s truly the reason why this team is struggling then there was never any true leadership on this team to start with. Simply put, this team is not playing good football on either side of the ball. Part of it is coaching but most of it is just poor execution by the players. I’m not sure that we are the best team in the NFC South. Right now I say we might be the second team but if Atlanta will be a problem for us because of how explosive they are, especially since we really don’t have the ability to threaten defenses down the field. As you said, 13 more games but if we don’t see a major turnaround, I have a feeling this is going to be an ugly season. Losing is always ugly, and imho, it could get Jaguars ugly here also, if the losing continues. I’ve thought DB#9 should have retired every year for the last six years though. Three 7-9 seasons, the two 13-3, and the 11-5 season. But, my belief has absolutely nothing to do with a social justice stance.
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09-28-2020, 12:55 PM	#13
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints Originally Posted by rezburna If he was a better leader he would have read the room and knew how his teammates would react to what he said. It’s always better to cut ties too early instead of too late. Let’s see what Winston can do. If he’s trash we can tank for Lawrence/Fields/Lance. I’ve been on record for saying many times now, my personality is to pull the band-aid off quickly, get it over with and let the healing begin. That being said, it’s not my job to make that decision, either on retiring or on moving forward with a new QB. I truly do see both sides. I deal with what I have. And right now, it’s executive leadership that is tied to an aging QB, and players that have (self proclamed) moved beyond the comments and are in a “better” place because of it. Rez, I’m not a fly on the wall in that locker-room, lol. Bottom line, there is a finite time to win Superbowls..., but that’s for Everybody. AK#41 and MT#12 also, they have a shorter period of time than the QB. But coaching and management is currently telling me that the best QB is on the field now. My eyes tell me if that’s the best, lol, then the we’re in trouble! The “all in” for DB#9’s final years seems very selfish to me. Let’s begin a new, younger, stronger, faster push for multiple SB’s over the next decade, right? rezburna likes this.
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09-28-2020, 12:56 PM	#14
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,720	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints It looks like Drew is a broken man. He stood strong for his belief in standing for the flag. And was viciously attacked! He was forced to go against his values for team unity. That sucks. A man should have the right to speak his mind without being beaten down by his team mates in public. Having to back down on something that you deeply believe in can break you down. Drew doesn't have the passion for the game and I blame Malcolm(the Mouth) Jenkins for dividing the team. It's obvious that Drew's heart is not in the game. The fire is gone from his eyes. Now, I realize that Drew should have stuck to his principles and just retired from that venomous environment where your team mates attack you. It's a shame that a good man has been beaten down just for disagreeing with someone who has a different opinion. When did we lose the right to free speech? iceshack149, jnormand, Danno and 2 others like this.
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09-28-2020, 01:02 PM	#15
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II ...When did we lose the right to free speech? So true it hurts. Disagreeing without being disagreeable. Why does everybody have to “follow” blindly, quite frequently to those who yell the loudest. On any side of the fence, it’s just wrong. So..., Very..., Wrong. jnormand, Rugby Saint II and WW_Who_Dat like this.
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09-28-2020, 01:05 PM	#16
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,471	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II It looks like Drew is a broken man. He stood strong for his belief in standing for the flag. And was viciously attacked! He was forced to go against his values for team unity. That sucks. A man should have the right to speak his mind without being beaten down by his team mates in public. Having to back down on something that you deeply believe in can break you down. Drew doesn't have the passion for the game and I blame Malcolm(the Mouth) Jenkins for dividing the team. It's obvious that Drew's heart is not in the game. The fire is gone from his eyes. Now, I realize that Drew should have stuck to his principles and just retired from that venomous environment where your team mates attack you. It's a shame that a good man has been beaten down just for disagreeing with someone who has a different opinion. When did we lose the right to free speech? Or he could have also stand on what he said, as they say I stand on this. No one can force you to change your mind on a matter unless you let them. He could have also just walked away from the team. What’s left for him to prove? Look at the irony in what you said...because Brees changed his mind he is broken and the team is divided. In actuality, with him changing his stance you would think that they would be more united and the team would rally together. We are the only ones still talking about this and using it as a crutch. Just be honest with yourselves and see things for what they are. Brees is declining and the defense is horrible right now. Maybe they get it together, maybe they don’t. cmike likes this.

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09-28-2020, 12:38 PM	#12
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,650	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints If he was a better leader he would have read the room and knew how his teammates would react to what he said. It’s always better to cut ties too early instead of too late. Let’s see what Winston can do. If he’s trash we can tank for Lawrence/Fields/Lance. Rsanders24 likes this.

09-28-2020, 01:18 PM	#17
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,720	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints Originally Posted by Rsanders24 Or he could have also stand on what he said, as they say I stand on this. No one can force you to change your mind on a matter unless you let them. He could have also just walked away from the team. What’s left for him to prove? Look at the irony in what you said...because Brees changed his mind he is broken and the team is divided. In actuality, with him changing his stance you would think that they would be more united and the team would rally together. We are the only ones still talking about this and using it as a crutch. Just be honest with yourselves and see things for what they are. Brees is declining and the defense is horrible right now. Maybe they get it together, maybe they don’t. His body language says I'm a beaten man. Personally, I think it's from troubles at the office not at home. The fire in his eyes is gone. I don't consider it to be self inflicted. Like I said, I realize now that he should have stood his ground and continued to speak his mind like everyone else who has a message that they insist that the world hear. Let the fight be another challenge or just walk away from the whole tainted mess. I feel for the man. If you don't like him because of his stand and then reversal on it then that is up to you. Incidentally, does this team look like they have rallied together? Drew was sitting by himself on the bench. That has never happened before. This team certainly is playing like a "united team". They look dysfunctional but I'm sure the focus being off of football didn't help. Peace out.
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09-28-2020, 01:26 PM	#18
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,650	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints If he didn’t have a genuine change of heart he should have stood on it. Thing is, anybody in leadership knows if you have something to say that’s going to alienate and offend the people you work with you probably should just avoid the question and keep those feelings to yourself. Winning cures all. If he was still balling his teammates would overlook it. When you say some **** the locker room doesn’t like then you come out there throwing ducks...everybody starts looking at the 6’4” kid who’s throwing 60 yard bombs in practice everyday. MatthewT, Rsanders24, leilung and 1 others like this.
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09-28-2020, 01:35 PM	#19
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints Originally Posted by rezburna If he didn’t have a genuine change of heart he should have stood on it. Thing is, anybody in leadership knows if you have something to say that’s going to alienate and offend the people you work with you probably should just avoid the question and keep those feelings to yourself. Winning cures all. If he was still balling his teammates would overlook it. When you say some **** the locker room doesn’t like then you come out there throwing ducks...everybody starts looking at the 6’4” kid who’s throwing 60 yard bombs in practice everyday. Exactly This^^ rezburna likes this.
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09-28-2020, 02:34 PM	#20
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,085 Blog Entries: 1	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints Originally Posted by Rsanders24 Really? After watching then play....this is the best you can come up with? What about the other teams that are undefeated or are at least playing good football that have had players speak out as well. Everyone has to do their job and do it better....including Brees. What you just wrote is a cop-out. For the record, Danno didn't write this article. Jason Whitlock did. And I believe he's right. Danno, Rsanders24, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.